Kinetic blast/Tornado Shot - You broke your own rule

Everything is due to the thing called meta. Since game is frequently updated with new skills, support gems, uniques, there are balance changes with every patch, so meta is not constant. Next league there can be a very different scenario, but the truth is, there will always be a meta (so your called OP builds). It's impossible to balance such complex game with dozens ways to build around every single skill. Some skill take greater benefit from existing situation, and that's it. You either play what you like at your own pace, or you go with meta.. And to be honest, despite the meta there are still plenty of viable builds, that have decent survivability and good clear speed.

And no, not every build has to be expensive (like tens of exalts), nobody forces you to build around shavs or mjolner. The truth is, any properly done build can do 78lvl maps, maybe not all can do all map bosses (some are very non-friendly for builds using certain mechanics, but it's because of certain bosses design). Same goes with Atziri and especially ubber Atziri, where are very few capable builds to do these bosses. So yeah, let's wipe Atziri capable builds, because they make other builds non-viable, right? Same for regular maps? The answer is NO.

Finally, I know there are some very bad useless skills in the game, that need a solid buff or even rework, but they have nothing to do with skills mentioned by OP. Also all properly done builds can wipe trash mobs of any level, the problems start when encountering certain bosses or certain mechanic of those bosses, so blame GGG for creating very build dependent boss mechanics, but not the builds, unless you don't know how to even make a solid build.

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JohnNamikaze wrote:

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666lol666 wrote:

I always play solo and it is possible to do every map as a single player BUT of course it is much easier to play in groups (less monster hp per player & more auras) and it is more rewarding (bring your mf culler).

It is much easier to play in groups and it is more rewarding, but being me trying to play at my own pace, it is very stressful just to keep up with the group. At the end of the day, if I am getting stressed out, no amount of easiness or reward can fix it.

I couldn't agree more!

Playing the game efficiently is often stressful, yes.

So is playing the game at a snails pace after you've tried tornado shot.

I still like split arrow chain or power siphon lmp chain more =P

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Legatus1982 wrote:

Playing the game efficiently is often stressful, yes.

So is playing the game at a snails pace after you've tried tornado shot.

Which one of your characters is TS?

Why in the world would an ES RF build not use Lightning Warp + Reduced Duration + Faster Casting, especially alongside EE for -fire resists? It's a match made in heaven.

But I digress.

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The obvious solution is to remove all shotgunning and buff the skills that relied on shotgunning to kill things (namely FP, maybe a few others).

Get rid of the "spells shotgun (except EK + BL), attacks don't (except TS + Molten + KB)" rule altogether.

Multiple Projectiles makes sense as an "AoE for damage" trade-off.
With shotgunning, it's "AoE and damage" in a single mega-support that becomes required to use the skill. All shotgunnable skills are just 2Ls by default.

Required player actions (read: "no brainer" decisions) are boring... bad.

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JohnNamikaze wrote:

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pneuma wrote:

Why in the world would an ES RF build not use Lightning Warp + Reduced Duration + Faster Casting, especially alongside EE for -fire resists? It's a match made in heaven.

But I digress.

Because I use this ring to further mitigate the fire degen placed on me. Besides, this is my AFK build. I use move and everything burns now (even dem totems which were a thorn in the past).

Full credit. That's an ingenious use of that mofo ring.

they dont shotgun, is basically where the mistake here is.

I put gmp on tornado/kinetic and look, I can hit a mob more than once with 1 shot... ya, if I put chain on split arrow I can hit a mob more than once with 1 shot, that goes for all the bow/wand skills that can be effected by chain, if I put gmp on lightning arrow I can hit a mob multiple times... nothing has changed here. You dont get point blank with a target to tornado it with all 5 projectiles because only 1 can hit, because it doesnt shotgun. Secondary aoe aspects can shotgun, same way they always have since the start of open beta and probably before.

there we go, crisis over, end of the world averted, OMG THE BALANCE THO crew can take a chill pill and go nap it off, its fine. We dont need to redesign the game, nothing is wrong. Tornado and Kinetic are not necessarily better than split arrow chain or power siphon. Raiz QT prefers split arrow, I prefer tornado, that guy knows his shit hes not wrong, its just situational/playstyle preference. He thinks Ice Shot is better than tornado, and again I dont agree but its an educated opinion from a guy whos played them extensively and properly.

I think people play tornado and say omg, omg this is so op its so far beyond everything else Ive tried... right it is, because you didnt do those other things correctly. All my builds obliterate like that, tornado, kinetic, split arrow, coc, spec throw, crit melee, non crit melee, phys, ele, arc, ek, cold snap, flameblast.. people are making all manner of crazy op shit. I tried swapping kinetic for power siphon chain earlier, its every bit as crazy, Im sticking with kb because Ive played a lot of siphon before.