checked TOS for scamming

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FadeXF wrote:
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Swagtrain wrote:
they have a system in game that makes scams impossible unless you highlight over the item and explicitly agree to give it to someone else, accepting the trade is extinguishing your rights of ownership over the item





Do they?


Yea, I just explained it in the comment you quoted, edited everything irrelevant to my point from your reply. Please keep the discussion on topic.
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Last edited by Manocean#0852 on Dec 30, 2014, 1:55:19 PM
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FadeXF wrote:

There are far more valuable items in this game than ONLY currency and drops, and GGG's system doesn't cover ALL ASPECTS of this game.

You attempted to paint this sweeping brush - but the brush missed a lot of valuable spots making for a pretty shitty paint job.


You are right, he did basically brush aside your point but I believe he in a roundabout vague way points to what is likely the conclusion of this discussion.

GGG created a system to protect trades for the portion of the game that they have seen fit to do so. At some point they have to take the training wheels off and let players learn/fend for themselves.

The areas not covered by the trading window fall more into the 'enter at your own risk' type territory.

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Last edited by Nubatron#4333 on Dec 30, 2014, 2:10:59 PM
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FadeXF wrote:


There are far more valuable items in this game than ONLY currency and drops, and GGG's system doesn't cover ALL ASPECTS of this game.

You attempted to paint this sweeping brush - but the brush missed a lot of valuable spots making for a pretty shitty paint job.


and what are those items? since drops and currency are all of the items in the game, you just said that there are more valuable items... than the items in the game..... that doesnt make any sense.


also ive been scammed 3 times in closed beta, when there was no trade window, we had to do drop trades in mudflats/old fields, they never did anything about scammers but fortunately with the new trade window you have to be really fucked up or stupid to get scammed.
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Last edited by VictorDoom#6290 on Dec 30, 2014, 2:15:46 PM
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FadeXF wrote:
For the record: I only trade - I'm on board with what you are trying to say here (Victor, Nuba, Swag) the thing is that unfortunately this game has a lot more things in it that are valuable that aren't tradeable.

I only solo, and I will never ever risk my Mortal sets or anything else for that matter - however that doesn't mean that things like waypoint TP service, or rushing service, or dom/piety kill services, or Atziri (normal or not) kill services or master services... the list will continue the more stuff GGG adds, or cross realm trading.... it just doesn't negate the fact that those items exist.

GGG does not support anything not in the trade interface: got it. That doesn't really excuse it though. They really should support players if both players clearly have outlined in the chat interface as agreeing to a set of terms... whatever that is... and ban or even recover when that doesn't happen.

TOS has nothing on scamming - making it 100% legit to do. But not only that fact, because they don't help victims, they in fact are inadvertently supporting a shittier community and shitty people who... knowing the rules now... and knowing that they will not get any punishments... will go out of their way to seek more victims.


Scamming is simply to vague to put into the TOS, particularly since the majority of the player-base can't even agree on what a scam is (even though I think it's pretty straightforward). Further, GGG doesn't have an army to respond and investigate. I had an account flagged as a bot once -- that investigation took quite a while before they cleared my account as not a bot. Imagine if you piled on the "FadeXF traded me 2 chaos for my 10 exalts, and then I learned the exalts are worth more" type reports. (BTW, that's not a scam for anyone reading) Weeding through the garbage would be quite tedious.

GGG has to draw the line somewhere. Trading things that are equipment and currency seems like a good line. Trading services is quite a bit of work to police and/or build a framework around in the code.

I agree this is a scumbag thing to do, and I personally hope people learn to take great care in these areas.

At this point, if I were to engage a service -- it would only be with appropriate collateral or payment after services rendered....but it's more fun to do it myself :)

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Last edited by Saltygames#3498 on Dec 30, 2014, 3:05:20 PM
Scams are allowed and not regulated. Feel free to scam up the place with a second account. The devs don't care and neither do the players.

A good rule of thumb is 7x scam for every time you get scammed. That way you make a profit.
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FadeXF wrote:
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Shagsbeard wrote:
Again: when both parties agree to a set of terms, and those terms are not fulfilled by either party - that is a scam.

It's pretty cut and dry.


Actually, that's a bit too simplistic of a definition.

If we agreed that you would give me your car if I painted your house, and while I was doing it your car was stolen from you so you couldn't give it to me, then you would not have fulfilled the terms of the bargain, but it would not be a scam.
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VitaCola wrote:
So i just checked the TOS for any informations about scamming. didnt found anything about that.
At the end, scamming is allowed in Path of Exile.


In other news, being stupid is legal in most part of the world...
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DirkAustin wrote:
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VitaCola wrote:
So i just checked the TOS for any informations about scamming. didnt found anything about that.
At the end, scamming is allowed in Path of Exile.


In other news, being stupid is legal in most part of the world...

Yes, and "the funniest thing" in this is that, according to the Dunning–Kruger effect, you will not be able to convince those "stupid" people (who were "scammed") that they were stupid enough to fall for "scam"; and won't be able to explain why exactly they were stupid.
On top of that, in the end you'll be even labelled as "defender of the scammer"

That's why there are "don't turn over the cup with hot coffee" labels and "don't dry cat in microwave" notifications exist now.
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IF some1 is too stupid to get scammed, they deserve it,period..

also GGG is not your babysitter to look after you when you cry about scams etc..
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