checked TOS for scamming

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FadeXF wrote:

It is - goods and services - just because I'm making payment with virtual goods - it makes no difference if I were offering to pay using cow shit. Honestly it doesn't. If I were someone looking for fertilizer, perhaps cow shit is valuable to me.

Whilst it may be a "scam" it is not a problem GGG should be forced to deal with, they don't have the money, time or staff.
And whilst you may attribute a real money value to in game currency(why would you unless you RMT or are considering the legality in real life terms and consequence) it is in no way actionable as you entered a gentleman's agreement, it's not enforceable by law and naming and shaming(defamation of character) is.

Still arguing pointless semantics in here, I see

so you just gave him those 10 ex or so and wondered why he went off? man that guy must be giggling his asscheecks off for getting it that easy o__o

It is all part of the general game enviornemnt. GGG values game knowledge and self sufficiency. Wraeclast is a lawless place, anything goes, the strong eat the weak. It is deliberately built in to the game with the bandit quest. If you interact with another player and are weaker or less knowledgable you can easily come out of it worse off. Don't want to get scammed? Do your research and kill your own bosses. Personally, I like it.

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mucker wrote:

It is all part of the general game enviornemnt. GGG values game knowledge and self sufficiency. Wraeclast is a lawless place, anything goes, the strong eat the weak. It is deliberately built in to the game with the bandit quest. If you interact with another player and are weaker or less knowledgable you can easily come out of it worse off. Don't want to get scammed? Do your research and kill your own bosses. Personally, I like it.

I've often thought about to trying to hunt down the pricks that do the bandit pk thing but don't the really play HC and suspect it would end with me dead and pissed. Hunter that gets eaten by the lion. Hah.

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nait2k4 wrote:

Servers are located in the good ol' US of ehhhhhh, so you can probably litigate through civil court. Fraud statutes are pretty open-ended, especially in some of the blue states.

Nobody is going to court unless they were scammed for multi mirror level gear in which it would be over 500 dollars.

Which would beg how you would be scammed to begin with but that's another story.

lol dude, you can't turn items into money without breaking the terms of service and maybe some laws as well, you can't argue that "oh but i can sell this on the black market"

this is a game, it's not real life, stealing and tricking people in a game doesn't mean anything, what kind of fucked up society would punish people over something like this someone call george orwell

Not sure what laws it would break. TOS is more to protect GGG from legal repercussion than the players.

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Nubatron wrote:

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mucker wrote:

It is all part of the general game enviornemnt. GGG values game knowledge and self sufficiency. Wraeclast is a lawless place, anything goes, the strong eat the weak. It is deliberately built in to the game with the bandit quest. If you interact with another player and are weaker or less knowledgable you can easily come out of it worse off. Don't want to get scammed? Do your research and kill your own bosses. Personally, I like it.

I've often thought about to trying to hunt down the pricks that do the bandit pk thing but don't the really play HC and suspect it would end with me dead and pissed. Hunter that gets eaten by the lion. Hah.

I've tried as well, never had any luck. PKK was my favorite part of d2.

they have a system in game that makes scams impossible unless you highlight over the item and explicitly agree to give it to someone else, accepting the trade is extinguishing your rights of ownership over the item

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Nubatron wrote:

Not sure what laws it would break. TOS is more to protect GGG from legal repercussion than the players.

well all the items and characters and everything belong to ggg, they can delete you if they feel like it which means they own them, if you are selling items for real money it's like selling someone else' property, the only difference being they themselves support the idea that these items have no value because they ban selling them, so they can't say you caused direct material damage to them

the only things that you could say they belong to you are the microtransactions you buy with real money

i don't know if this would hold in a court of law but it's an argument