I Play Diablo III Because of Path of Exile's Problems

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holocaustus wrote:

Level scaling is a double-edged sword in every RPG. While it offers continued challenge (although the only challenge I've encountered so far in D3 were random-affix mobs; bosses were all pushovers) it also kills any sense of character progression as whenever you get stronger monsters catch up with you.

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raics wrote:

It was done in an interesting way in Sacred 2, enemies in each area scaled their level to yours but only within certain ranges, there was a min and max level per area and per difficulty.

For instance, enemies in the first area in bronze difficulty start at level 1 and go up to level 14, in last area they go from 25 to 40, so you could finish the game at level 25 and be at level with the enemies or you can outlevel them by 10 levels if you're set on doing so. In niobium difficulty first area enemy levels would go from 111 to 180.

Of course, by gaining levels enemies don't just gain hit points, they do more damage too, however your gear keeps up with that and unique and set items scale too which is very nice for sets, you can wear boots you found at level 20 with chest from level 50 and just replace the boots with a higher level version when you find it.

There was also a very nifty system called survival bonus, the longer you stay alive the more enemies outlevel you (can go up to 30 levels difference on higher difficulties if you haven't been dieing a long time but can't go over the area cap), and the better drops are, so if you have a good char and play good the game will be harder but you will also get more drops, and if you die a lot the game will be easier. Yeah, playing hardcore is truly harder in sacred :)

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tinko92 wrote:

If you're into self found play, it's the thing for you.

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holocaustus wrote:

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raics wrote:

It was done in an interesting way in Sacred 2, enemies in each area scaled their level to yours but only within certain ranges, there was a min and max level per area and per difficulty.

For instance, enemies in the first area in bronze difficulty start at level 1 and go up to level 14, in last area they go from 25 to 40, so you could finish the game at level 25 and be at level with the enemies or you can outlevel them by 10 levels if you're set on doing so. In niobium difficulty first area enemy levels would go from 111 to 180.

Of course, by gaining levels enemies don't just gain hit points, they do more damage too, however your gear keeps up with that and unique and set items scale too which is very nice for sets, you can wear boots you found at level 20 with chest from level 50 and just replace the boots with a higher level version when you find it.

There was also a very nifty system called survival bonus, the longer you stay alive the more enemies outlevel you (can go up to 30 levels difference on higher difficulties if you haven't been dieing a long time but can't go over the area cap), and the better drops are, so if you have a good char and play good the game will be harder but you will also get more drops, and if you die a lot the game will be easier. Yeah, playing hardcore is truly harder in sacred :)

Yeah, that sounds like a good compromise in theory. Haven't playd Sacred so can't comment on it though.

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tinko92 wrote:

If you're into self found play, it's the thing for you.

That really is the thing. The game has issues, different issues than POE, but after playing POE for so long with its frustrating economy-based drop system, D3's loot is relly fun. You kill a boss and find shiny new gear you can actually use. Feels like you're playing an actual game.

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Why is this even in feedback?

It's just a discussion about D3, and surely should be moved to off topic?

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holocaustus wrote:

Yeah, that sounds like a good compromise in theory. Haven't playd Sacred so can't comment on it though.

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

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holocaustus wrote:

Yeah, that sounds like a good compromise in theory. Haven't playd Sacred so can't comment on it though.

Sacred 1/2 would be a great game if it wasnt so unbalanced. Let's take Sacred 2, for example. Dryad has an ability, that provides short-term HP regen, and has lower CD, than duration. Guess, how much HP it regens when build properly? Well, it regens more HP per second, than your character has! Having that high HP regen makes you almost immortal (except oneshots). Another example - Inquisitor has ability, that allows him to gain extra %increase to attack and defence (increases chance to hit and decreases chance to be hit). What's the problem? It stacks indefinetely! After killing a certain amount of enemies, his chance to hit will be always maxed, and chance to be hit will be minimal (<1%)....
And survival bonus not just increased foe's level and magic find.... It also drastically increased YOUR damage and stats. So, it's pretty questionable, if it really made game harder, or easier... I think, it shouldnt be like that.

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

Sacred 1/2 would be a great game if it wasnt so unbalanced.
And survival bonus not just increased foe's level and magic find.... It also drastically increased YOUR damage and stats. So, it's pretty questionable, if it really made game harder, or easier... I think, it shouldnt be like that.

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Why is this even in feedback?

It's just a discussion about D3