[Poll] Self Found League - SFL /FINISHED

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silvershadows wrote:

You say that every SFL player would want their own version but that is a bullshit argument for not doing things. Every player here probably want a different version of the other leagues and there are many threads suggesting changes in areas other than SFl. By your logic there should be no POE because noone can agree.

As to SFL though, two things are necessary whether every sfl proponent likes it or not:
Permanent allocation loot: complicated exceptions for trading with friends and such need to be left off the table while the league is implemented. There is no reason to muck with partying if loot is permanent allocation and there are no complicated exceptions.
Drops balanced differently than normal league but at GGG's discretion: They've balanced the game fine with trading taken into account so I'm sure they can make a challenging permanent allocation system that doesn't make most people feel screwed.

How is it a bullshit argument? Every player does want a different version of a league, why do you think they DON'T make one every single time someone complains how they don't like X feature of the game and it'll be perfect for them if it was this way. They are coming out with paid leagues were you can custom craft a league for yourself. Also why would PoE not exist? The people who created the game agreed that they want this game to play and other people agree that it's really fun.

And now you just fallen back to my argument.

1. Your going to force your version SFL league within your own wants or think what would be best into every single other SFL person. Then your going to MAGICALLY then go "I'm sure the company can fix and know exactly how I want the game."

This is the lack of effort I am talking about that does not inspire GGG to make "SFL" a normal part of the game core league. As oppose to a personal player challenge or a bought league they got themselves.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

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silvershadows wrote:

You say that every SFL player would want their own version but that is a bullshit argument for not doing things. Every player here probably want a different version of the other leagues and there are many threads suggesting changes in areas other than SFl. By your logic there should be no POE because noone can agree.

As to SFL though, two things are necessary whether every sfl proponent likes it or not:
Permanent allocation loot: complicated exceptions for trading with friends and such need to be left off the table while the league is implemented. There is no reason to muck with partying if loot is permanent allocation and there are no complicated exceptions.
Drops balanced differently than normal league but at GGG's discretion: They've balanced the game fine with trading taken into account so I'm sure they can make a challenging permanent allocation system that doesn't make most people feel screwed.

How is it a bullshit argument? Every player does want a different version of a league, why do you think they DON'T make one every single time someone complains how they don't like X feature of the game and it'll be perfect for them if it was this way. They are coming out with paid leagues were you can custom craft a league for yourself. Also why would PoE not exist? The people who created the game agreed that they want this game to play and other people agree that it's really fun.

And now you just fallen back to my argument.

1. Your going to force your version SFL league within your own wants or think what would be best into every single other SFL person. Then your going to MAGICALLY then go "I'm sure the company can fix and know exactly how I want the game."

This is the lack of effort I am talking about that does not inspire GGG to make "SFL" a normal part of the game core league. As oppose to a personal player challenge or a bought league they got themselves.

Man, SFL beggers are so irrational that I wonder why I still try to argue against them. They try to sound clever and allbust mostlythe message is

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I cant compete with no lifers. Me want to faceroll the game too and get bored

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D) If you want to play Self-Found, then play self-found, no one is stopping you..
GGG has said this before, if you want to play with limitations on yourself, then go right ahead. But they won't specifically be making a League out of it.

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Thorien_Kell wrote:

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Biased and misleading poll not showing the 2 sides of the medal. Your stats are broken already.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

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silvershadows wrote:

You say that every SFL player would want their own version but that is a bullshit argument for not doing things. Every player here probably want a different version of the other leagues and there are many threads suggesting changes in areas other than SFl. By your logic there should be no POE because noone can agree.

As to SFL though, two things are necessary whether every sfl proponent likes it or not:
Permanent allocation loot: complicated exceptions for trading with friends and such need to be left off the table while the league is implemented. There is no reason to muck with partying if loot is permanent allocation and there are no complicated exceptions.
Drops balanced differently than normal league but at GGG's discretion: They've balanced the game fine with trading taken into account so I'm sure they can make a challenging permanent allocation system that doesn't make most people feel screwed.

How is it a bullshit argument? Every player does want a different version of a league, why do you think they DON'T make one every single time someone complains how they don't like X feature of the game and it'll be perfect for them if it was this way. They are coming out with paid leagues were you can custom craft a league for yourself. Also why would PoE not exist? The people who created the game agreed that they want this game to play and other people agree that it's really fun.

And now you just fallen back to my argument.

1. Your going to force your version SFL league within your own wants or think what would be best into every single other SFL person. Then your going to MAGICALLY then go "I'm sure the company can fix and know exactly how I want the game."

This is the lack of effort I am talking about that does not inspire GGG to make "SFL" a normal part of the game core league. As oppose to a personal player challenge or a bought league they got themselves.

Again, differing opinions on a subject does not invalidate the subject itself. Just because a bunch of architects cant agree how to build a bridge does not mean there isn't a need for a bridge.

There is also a base form to a bridge: it lets things cross over it.


So it is with SFL there is a demand for it and a base structure. I did my best to describe the base structure and you reciprocated with ad-hominem attacks.

And yes I did pass off the burden of balance to GGG because every suggestion we could make would be attacked by your kind. I see now that you guys will attack anything to the point of hypocrisy though.

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PureLaine wrote:

Biased and misleading poll not showing the 2 sides of the medal. Your stats are broken already.

You are surprised with the results and thinking in negating all will make you feel better or is it impartial reasoning we see here?

I'm not strong SFL fanatic, I would like it but that's all. I was surprised with results as much as anyone.

All I did is tried to determine are people in generally interested in such thing, I was curious honestly - offering answer range from yes i care deeply to no it's stupid idea. And results show that people (seemingly and surprisingly) really care.

So did I win? I can has self found cutthroat league? :)

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Thorien_Kell wrote:

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PureLaine wrote:

Biased and misleading poll not showing the 2 sides of the medal. Your stats are broken already.

You are surprised with the results and thinking in negating all will make you feel better or is it impartial reasoning we see here?

I'm not strong SFL fanatic, I would like it but that's all. I was surprised with results as much as anyone.

All I did is tried to determine are people in generally interested in such thing, I was curious honestly - offering answer range from yes i care deeply to no it's stupid idea. And results show that people (seemingly and surprisingly) really care.

Im not surprised at all. Who wouldnt want to be rich?

You want people to vote on that fact alone. Thus, the reason your poll is biased. It is a populist idea that isnt rational at all longevitywise and replayabilitywise that will push people to boredom faster. Yes, that is what SFL is striving for.

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miljan wrote:

P ursuing P.H.D. means you need to learn things, make solutions. If it was only that you need tp reading a book and learning nothing,than it is time consuming and not hard.

Typing 100 pages of something that has meaning like good book is hard. Typing 100 pages of crap like same word is time consuming.

You my man, dont know what hard means and what time consuming means

What about running distance? You my man are in denial.

I am not in denial, but not only that you dont know what is time consuming and hard, but dont know to use normal logic when making examples.

You made a example around what is harder to do run 100 feet or 5 miles, that is a physical skill. How will you apply that logic on game? Think little better of your examples and what can be applied to the game.

Its like saying what is harder to do, write a book with only latter A on 100 pages or 20000 pages. In both case things are easy, there is no skill that you need to know or use, only time consuming. But 20000 pages from physical point of view for us humans makes it hard compare to 100 pages. And I am pretty sure you don't want to go that route for playing games xD, as it doesnt make any sence.

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PureLaine wrote:

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miljan wrote:

But items you need to beat PoE compared to other arpg, time you need to invest and farm for that items is few times more in PoE than in any other arpg. That counts d2 also. Both in items you need, both in number of set/uniques drops in that game compared to PoE

Lie.

Have you ever attempted Über Tristram in Diablo 2?

That zone required you to have rough physical damage and life leech to out heal any damage incoming. Crushing blow, deadly strike, etc. Over capping resistances about a Virtual 300 resist to nullify Mephistos conviction.

It's probably as hard if not impossible to gather items "self found" to beat it than it is for the current map Dominus.

Get your wine straight buddy. You lost credibility long ago to my eyes. If you want to beat PoE at all cost but trading, this the wrong kind of game for you.

Lol, love when people dont know what they are talking about.

Ubers are not maps, it was not the end game, they where not even there when the game was out.

But yeah, you are right about the trading thing, at least you see that you need to trade in PoE and what is the problem with the game xD. That is why we want this league, but hey keep posting and trolling kid.