THERE IS NO REASON WHY POE shouldn't have a CASUAL league

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Arrowneous wrote:

I wonder why the concept of "only play the casual league if you have limited play time" is such a hard sell.

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Arrowneous wrote:

Of course it is my choice not to trade. Of course that means I have less currency for time played because I don't have over 200 MF. The need to have very high MF is also my choice. As I level up I must decide:

A. Do I use this because is has good IIR or IIQ but lousy other stats?, or
B. Do I use this item for the resists or elemental damage (or other buffs) but no IIR or IIQ?

This is assuming I even get drops that have a good IIR stat on it. We all have to make these choices and that's good. Getting gear that would give me both 75% to all resists and over 200% IIR and IIQ at the same time in Merciless difficulty would make PoE too easy. I have no problem with that.

What all this discussion boils down to is a simple examination of time. For fans of PoE that have limited time to play, should it take real years of time playing PoE to get to where the HC no-lifers get to in a few months? Is it necessary to put everyone in the same time frame even though we all have varying amounts of time we can play PoE each week?

And then we have to ask, with our limited free time to play PoE, is the game time required to get to the endgame worth the investment of real time spread out over years? For some people the answer is yes. They are willing to play PoE knowing it will take them years to get to where a player playing more hours each week will get to in a few months. But for a lot of people I'd wager that the answer is no. Real life trumps any game any day for most people and thus PoE (or any game for that matter) is only played when our free time and desire to play allows. If we understand the nature of PoE as it is in OB and the grind time factor, and still say "yes, I am willing to commit to a multi-year time line to get to the endgame" then some people will play PoE. But I'm sure there is a large quantity of would be players that after testing the PoE waters are saying "great game that GGG has produced but I can't/don't want to commit this much time to it" and so never play PoE. GGG is missing out on that segment of the arpg market right now.

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Arrowneous wrote:

I've played 20 to 25 hours a week x 12 = 240 to 300 hours.

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Ishiga25 wrote:

The fact of the matter is this:

The game is balanced around trading, not farming.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

If your going broke trying to get a 4L then your doing something wrong. If your resources are that bad then don't waste fusings trying to get one. Buy a 4L from the traders or find one on the ground and then either use alch/chaos or alts to get some decent mods. You could also ask to buy a cheap one in trade chat. That way your not gambling.

so once he has wasted his fusing, go the other way and waste all his chaos instead, then his alc + scours, then he can kick himself for not trading. Yes yes we know where he went wrong and what the best method is, the only method in fairness that isnt a lottery ticket, the point is questioning if this is the right situation to build into a game and if something should be done about the fact its trade or buy a lottery ticket. People understand the reality that is why they are posting about it.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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Legatus1982 wrote:

This comment proves my point exactly about your expectations of items. You're looking from a very limited view of endgame player that wants to faceroll the entire game. From that perspective yes, once in 400 rares you might get a good item. For people who are <70 though, which is probably the vast majority of the game's population, many of the blues that drop replace old rares. And this is where your perspective screws up your math on what is useable.
To say that using 1 alch will only after 400 attempts give you an item you can sell for 1 alch is insanity. What's really happening is you're looking for items you can ONLY use at high-endgame and as such are pissing your currency away trying to get a perfect roll on your items. There are plenty of people out there leveling alts who would pay an alch for a good leveling item.

The reality is that most of the time when you alch something, you will either get:
1. an item you can sell for an alch
2. an item you can't sell at all and you vendor it for alt shards
3. an item that is good enough to sell for more than an alch, and make back the currency you lost when you did all those #2's.

If you're trying to act like it takes 400 alchs to get 1 alch back, well apparently you haven't seen the vendor recipes for alt-alch. Reality is that even if you vendored every single item you rolled you would get an alch back LONG before reaching 400 rolls.

this point doesnt prove my expectations, this point comes from the hard facts of sales figures from actively trading and running shops in this game for 8 months, I know what sells and how much for. Vendor recipes for getting your alcs back have nothing to do with 10 orbs giving you a 1 in 100,000 item, you are losing track of the point you are trying to make and arguing something else now which is off topic. I didnt say it took 400 alcs to get 1 alc back, I said it took 400 drops to get something usable that is going to sell for a decent price, and what you are asking for is for 10 orbs to get you something that is going to have literally a 1 in 100,000 mods and sell for gigantic amounts, and by adding 10 divines into the mix you are now going to have an item better than any item currently up for mirroring, a mirror costs 75 exalts + a 2 or 3 exalt fee just to mirror such an item, they are 1 in a billion items and you want them for a price anyone can farm in a week. That is the point, its got nothing to do with an alc vendor recipe.

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Arrowneous wrote:

If we understand the nature of PoE as it is in OB and the grind time factor, and still say "yes, I am willing to commit to a multi-year time line to get to the endgame" then some people will play PoE. But I'm sure there is a large quantity of would be players that after testing the PoE waters are saying "great game that GGG has produced but I can't/don't want to commit this much time to it" and so never play PoE. GGG is missing out on that segment of the arpg market right now.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

And again, the perfect or 1 in a billion items you are talking about are only marginally better than the godly items people already have.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

It may cost you 50 exalts to mirror such an item, but the actual value per damage is not 50 exalts