Official Blender Post! Lets theory craft for 1.2! 123k Cleave DPS!

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sorry but...

he is the OP so check the first post of this thread

Lol sry, havent seen that this wrote x2P :DD

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alxndr wrote:

I little bit off topit and maybe a dumb question, but - I saw a lot of current gear of 70+ heroes and no one has item rarity from their gear? Am I missing something or do they have separate gear with hugh item rarity? :)

Most people are posting their progression gear. I have a separate set of gear that I use to do Piety runs... I don't have anything special but it works well enough.



Before flask effect
86% Quantity
157% Rarity

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ghyeng wrote:

The passive is [You take 15% reduced Extra Damage from Critical Strikes], with both they are 30%.

You take 30% reduced Extra Damage from Critical Strikes, which is 30% reduced from the 30% extra damage.

Final multiplier would be
100% *( 100% + 30%*(100%-30%) )
= 100% * (100% + 30%*0.7)
= 100% * (100% + 21%)
= 121% damage.

The funny thing of your calculation is that with "Reduced Extra Damage from Critical Strikes" the monsters will do less damage during a critical hit than a normal hit.

I'm glad I read through the last couple pages as I was about to post this. This is the correct way to calculate it.

@Septemvri: Thanks for the AWESOME cyclone math. I was actually having a big discussion with a guy about cyclone yesterday but didn't have any hard numbers to properly compare. I will definitely be trying it out today.

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Dmillz wrote:

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ghyeng wrote:

The passive is [You take 15% reduced Extra Damage from Critical Strikes], with both they are 30%.

You take 30% reduced Extra Damage from Critical Strikes, which is 30% reduced from the 30% extra damage.

Final multiplier would be
100% *( 100% + 30%*(100%-30%) )
= 100% * (100% + 30%*0.7)
= 100% * (100% + 21%)
= 121% damage.

The funny thing of your calculation is that with "Reduced Extra Damage from Critical Strikes" the monsters will do less damage during a critical hit than a normal hit.

I'm glad I read through the last couple pages as I was about to post this. This is the correct way to calculate it.

Ok, I think I finally got it. Helped myself with the critical weakness article on the wiki and managed to crack a general formula. The problem was that critical damage is a compound term and not very intuitive.

First, let me introduce the modification function mod(A[], B[]):

mod(A[], B[]) = (1 + A1 + A2 + ... + An) * (1 + B1) * (1 + B2) * ... * (1 + Bn)

number * mod(A[], B[]) will change the final value of that number. For example for the damage we have the number as the damage of our weapons as we see it on the screen. In array A[] are all numbers from the game worded with the "increased" and "decrease" tag and into B[] all numbers in the game worded with the "more" and "less" tags. For example melee physical damage goes into B[] (but it's quality goes into A[]), concentrated effect goes into B[] as well. If we were watching the attack speed number, faster attack (and it's quality) would go into the A[] for attack speed, but multistrike would go into B[].

Crit damage is a term, which is reffered to throughout the game in two ways: via "critical strike multiplier" and via "extra damage from critical strikes". The question is how do they work together, there should be some relation between them or the game won't work lol.

So let's start from backwards:

base_extra_crit_dmg =
= 30% (50% for players)

extra_crit_dmg =
= base_extra_crit_dmg * mod (x[], y[]) =
= 30% * mod (x[], y[])

base_crit_damage_multiplier =
= 1 + extra_crit_dmg =
= 1 + 30% * mod (x[], y[])

crit_damage_multiplier =
= base_crit_damage_multiplier * mod(z[], w[]) =
= (1 + 30% * mod (x[], y[])) * mod(z[], w[])

crit_damage =
= normal_damage * crit_damage_multiplier =
= normal_damage * (1 + 30% * mod (x[], y[])) * mod(z[], w[])

Enfeeble, item props and generic passives work with the "critical multiplier" keyword, so their numbers should go into z[]
Critical weakness and the two -15% marauder passives we are discussing work with the "extra damage" keyword, so they should go into x[] (the 2 passives) and y[] (critical weakness).

Let's take my previous post cases - enfeeble lvl 5, the 2 marauder passives:
Monster hits normally: 1000 dmg
Monster crits: 1000 * (1 + 30% * mod ([], [])) * mod([], []) = 1000 * (1 + 30%) = 1300 dmg
Monster with 2 passives crits: 1000 * (1 + 30% * mod ([-30%], [])) * mod([], []) = 1000 * (1 + 0,3 * 0,7) = 1210 dmg
Monster with enfeeble crits: 1000 * (1 + 30% * mod ([], [])) * mod([-24%], []) = 1000 * (1 + 0,3) * 0,76 = 988 dmg
Monster with enfeeble and 2 passives crits: 1000 * (1 + 30% * mod ([-30%], [])) * mod([-24%], []) = 1000 * (1 + 0,3 * 0,7) * 0,76 = 919,6

Effective hit points increase by
1300 / 1210 = 988 / 919,6 ~= 1,074

Enfeeble scales lineary, so it doesn't matter for the comparison. If monsters/players(pvp) could cast Critical Weakness (lvl 15) on you, it would matter though.

Monster with critical weakness: 1000 * (1 + 30% * mod ([], [+44%])) * mod([], []) = 1000 * (1 + 0,3 * 1,44) = 1432
Monster with 2 passives and critical weakness: 1000 * (1 + 30% * mod ([-30%], [+44%])) * mod([], []) = 1000 * (1 + 0,3 * 0,7 * 1,44) = 1302,4

Effective hit points increase by
1432 / 1302,4 ~= 1,099

Player with critical weakness: 1000 * (1 + 50% * mod ([], [+44%])) * mod([], []) = 1000 * (1 + 0,5 * 1,44) = 1432
Player with 2 passives and critical weakness: 1000 * (1 + 50% * mod ([-30%], [+44%])) * mod([], []) = 1000 * (1 + 0,5 * 0,7 * 1,44) = 1302,4

Effective hit points increase by
1720 / 1504 ~= 1,144

So, +7,4% life normally against criticals, +10% against mobs with critical weakness, +14,4% against players with critical weakness.
Approximately as would 3x, 4x and ~6x 8% life nodes give to a high lvl character.


Seems not that good after all, would need to reconsider if it is a thing or not visiting the marauder.

Can any one give me some feedback on my build/gear? I'm not realy sure where I should go towards with build now, specialy after the crit reduction discussion!

Build:


Gear:


Thanks alot!

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marcio_r87 wrote:

Can any one give me some feedback on my build/gear? I'm not realy sure where I should go towards with build now, specialy after the crit reduction discussion!

I would say your gear need more +Health stats. Whats your total health at the moment ?
What about your resists ??

As to your build if you want to stay within Maruder start - then go towards health nodes as this is what you probably need most now.

I however was in the same spot like you (level 78) and just re-speced to this:



quite happy with how this build is workin and got almost 1k more health and more damage (less defensive stats though)

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Golfik wrote:

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marcio_r87 wrote:

Can any one give me some feedback on my build/gear? I'm not realy sure where I should go towards with build now, specialy after the crit reduction discussion!

I would say your gear need more +Health stats. Whats your total health at the moment ?
What about your resists ??

As to your build if you want to stay within Maruder start - then go towards health nodes as this is what you probably need most now.

I however was in the same spot like you (level 78) and just re-speced to this:

Spoiler

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgQAAecDhwUtEdUSIBQgFHEXHRc-GlUbrSFgJd8nTymlMZ4yCTSTNZI26DiWOuFAoEGqRmlHfkp9SshN404qUEdT31eXWK9Y21uvXotgQWBLYSFjcGSjZU1ngGegbEZuqnBycmxyqXTteA1463rvfNmDfITZhO-HdojxkAqVZpkrmy2bg565plenMKgHqW6rxaxZtfK2QbcXvYG-p8APz_jSTdN-3ILdDecK52Pveu_j8YryRfcy97746_zF_gr-jw==

quite happy with how this build is workin and got almost 1k more health and more damage (less defensive stats though)

Thanks for feedback! I'm pretty low on health 3200, but resists are capped with chaos at 0.

Honestly I'm doing pretty well on damage/dps i'm at 27k with dual strike.

I feel like i'm lacking on the defensive side, armor + health. If I respeced into your build I wouldn't cap res, thats -18 all res, with the bor it's not as easy to cap res without specs. Any sugestions? sort of lost on witch way to go with build and what changes to make acordingly to gear.

Has anybody tried this in HC? I think I'm gonna start playing that because the economy is so fucked in SC. The OP mentions some tankier versions in the original post, but I dont see any further information.

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x2P wrote:

Weapons - Your concern here is high attack speed and high PHYSICAL damage. Elemental damage on weapons does absolutely nothing for this build.

Can someone explain why elemental damage is so useless for this build? Thanks.

Because all your passive nodes increase physical damage.