Trying out Duelist/Ranger Life/armour crit melee build

Even *if* you get 50% crit chance and 80% chance to hit, without at least 600cd its worthless. Lets say you stay with that 50 crit multi for around 230cd,

thats 0.8 x 1 + (0.5 x 2.3) = 0.8 x 2.15 = 172% effective dps (72% more than an RT build)

72% more damage is not worth it when you can kill yourself on a crit, and when you are not always hitting and thus dont have consistent loh / leech / other on hit effects.

with 600 crit multi its 0.8 x 4 = 320% effective dps (220% more than an RT build)

you almost doubled your overall dps and tripled your overall more multiplier to normal dps from going 250cd to 600cd

You can get more cd from the tree and gear ofc, but you will sacrifice survivability for it.

*And* you have to get 50cc and 80% cth, you telling me 'I will have gear' means nothing at all. Someone who would have easy access to that kind of gear probably wouldnt be thinking of making such a warped build in the first place.

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Startkabels wrote:

@JahIthBerTirUmMalLumKoKoMal:

Exactly you truly believe that a melee life and armor (IR) based Dex aligned character is simply not possible.

I have seen many end game players who disagree and proved that you are wrong.

'I have seen many end game players' is just you saying something. You have proven nothing. What have you shown me? Words? Who are these players you speak of? I dare you to name these players and show me at least one video of such doing some challenging high end map content.

I have showed you who these players I talk about are (dragon, juhazz, kabacheng) ... showed you them raping and facetanking the hardest content with VISUAL proof, besides their own quoted experiences ... some even on hc/os with the nastiest mods. And facing the toughest bosses in the game. Megaera, vaal, piety, kole on maps with nasty mods being absolutely facetanked. An evasion character or a dex aligned melee with just IR as armor and a granite will never get to 74+ maps. Melee needs either a good amount of armor + maxed block + defensive abilities or a huge pool (like CI) + vaal pact + big ass dps to compete in the highest end maps, you dont have either. Any build in the game can finish merciless up to piety, so its obvious I Was talking about high end maps all along. And not dunes map, tropical island or overgrown shrine either, lol.

And whats up with 'simply not possible' ... you have a very bad reading comprehension and a way of wording things that makes you sound heavily uneducated. All I said is its not a viable endgame build, and that it will get raped 24/7. Not that its not possible. Saying its not possible is as bad as when you said armor doesnt work, and you became the laughing stock of the entire subforum.

First of all 72% more DPS is worth it to me, let alone the burn/shock,freeze effects you get from elemental damage on crit.

Secondly gear means nothing? Gear means everything, period.

Finally, take a look at some end game Duelist builds in the appropriate forum section and you will find similar builds that are doing fine like:

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/470407

You referenced Dragon's build, I recall that. However that is a Marauder or Templar and I am playing a Duelist so that is not much of a reference for me.

You may want to not grab IR just for Ondar's Guile. Even with only residual evasion stats from one or two hybrid pieces, with your dex and bonuses it can more than double your ability to survive (evasion+block is insanely good against Piety and virtually all of Lunaris 3, too, if you're into killing bosses). My current one-hand/sword duelist with hybrid evasion/armor is at least twice as survivable as the IR builds I've done, even pre-IR nerf.

If you're going IR not picking up the 52% duelist armor bonus for three nodes is kind of silly, too. Heck, remove IR+the path to US and you get those nodes, removing two res will let you get guile then.

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JahIthBerTirUmMalLumKoKoMal wrote:

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TheTenthDoc wrote:

You may want to not grab IR just for Ondar's Guile. Even with only residual evasion stats from one or two hybrid pieces, with your dex and bonuses it can more than double your ability to survive (evasion+block is insanely good against Piety and virtually all of Lunaris 3, too, if you're into killing bosses). My current one-hand/sword duelist with hybrid evasion/armor is at least twice as survivable as the IR builds I've done, even pre-IR nerf.

If you're going IR not picking up the 52% duelist armor bonus for three nodes is kind of silly, too. Heck, remove IR+the path to US and you get those nodes, removing two res will let you get guile then.

did you just suggest no US and some eva / armor hybrid on an already glass cannony low crit melee?

I suggested if he's going IR/US to actually grab the armor nodes and, if he wants to farm Lunaris 3, to drop the IR/US and use one or two pieces of EVA/AR hybrid gear with the rest as armor. If you can hit just 25% EV you just doubled your EHP against tittybitches+ice form. Obviously don't fight Kole, though.

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TheTenthDoc wrote:

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JahIthBerTirUmMalLumKoKoMal wrote:

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TheTenthDoc wrote:

You may want to not grab IR just for Ondar's Guile. Even with only residual evasion stats from one or two hybrid pieces, with your dex and bonuses it can more than double your ability to survive (evasion+block is insanely good against Piety and virtually all of Lunaris 3, too, if you're into killing bosses). My current one-hand/sword duelist with hybrid evasion/armor is at least twice as survivable as the IR builds I've done, even pre-IR nerf.

If you're going IR not picking up the 52% duelist armor bonus for three nodes is kind of silly, too. Heck, remove IR+the path to US and you get those nodes, removing two res will let you get guile then.

did you just suggest no US and some eva / armor hybrid on an already glass cannony low crit melee?

I suggested if he's going IR/US to actually grab the armor nodes and, if he wants to farm Lunaris 3, to drop the IR/US and use one or two pieces of EVA/AR hybrid gear with the rest as armor. If you can hit just 25% EV you just doubled your EHP against tittybitches+ice form. Obviously don't fight Kole, though.

drop US? nice stuns. drop IR? why? for ondars? and then get hit and get 2 shot on some champ titty bitch pack with vuln on.

''dont fight kole'' thats nice lol

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TheTenthDoc wrote:

You may want to not grab IR just for Ondar's Guile. Even with only residual evasion stats from one or two hybrid pieces, with your dex and bonuses it can more than double your ability to survive (evasion+block is insanely good against Piety and virtually all of Lunaris 3, too, if you're into killing bosses). My current one-hand/sword duelist with hybrid evasion/armor is at least twice as survivable as the IR builds I've done, even pre-IR nerf.

If you're going IR not picking up the 52% duelist armor bonus for three nodes is kind of silly, too. Heck, remove IR+the path to US and you get those nodes, removing two res will let you get guile then.

Thanks for the feedback, quite interesting. I actually like max block and instead of US I can use Heart of Oak which gives me 30% to avoid stuns and use Ondar's Guile as well.

I am not really comfortable with losing all that armor but I have to say I have very little experience with end game, I have only reached it once up to now since I am still trying to find a build that fits my style.
When the evasion AND the block chance fails that will leave me with only life. Enfeeble will be a must definitely.
What do you think about life being the last line of defense, do I need to get more (I use +life mods on gear as much as possible). There are a couple of small lifes nodes near.

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Startkabels wrote:

I am not really comfortable with losing all that armor but I have to say I have very little experience with end game

I dont know if I should laugh or cry upon hearing this, when you kept saying armor doesnt work and acting as if you actually knew what you were on about. Now you admit you have zero experience at endgame. Niceeeeee

Well played sir, you are an epic troll. My hats off to you.

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JahIthBerTirUmMalLumKoKoMal wrote:

drop US? nice stuns. drop IR? why? for ondars? and then get hit and get 2 shot on some champ titty bitch pack with vuln on.

''dont fight kole'' thats nice lol

IR with full EVA gear without the steel skin cluster will not make him less likely to be two-shot than nearly full armor gear with steel skin. The vulnerability will be bad if he drops US, but only if he doesn't pick up Ondar's. Most of the Lunaris 3 dps is elemental anyway.

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Startkabels wrote:

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TheTenthDoc wrote:

You may want to not grab IR just for Ondar's Guile. Even with only residual evasion stats from one or two hybrid pieces, with your dex and bonuses it can more than double your ability to survive (evasion+block is insanely good against Piety and virtually all of Lunaris 3, too, if you're into killing bosses). My current one-hand/sword duelist with hybrid evasion/armor is at least twice as survivable as the IR builds I've done, even pre-IR nerf.

If you're going IR not picking up the 52% duelist armor bonus for three nodes is kind of silly, too. Heck, remove IR+the path to US and you get those nodes, removing two res will let you get guile then.

Thanks for the feedback, quite interesting. I actually like max block and instead of US I can use Heart of Oak which gives me 30% to avoid stuns and use Ondar's Guile as well.

I am not really comfortable with losing all that armor but I have to say I have very little experience with end game, I have only reached it once up to now since I am still trying to find a build that fits my style.
When the evasion AND the block chance fails that will leave me with only life. Enfeeble will be a must definitely.
What do you think about life being the last line of defense, do I need to get more (I use +life mods on gear as much as possible). There are a couple of small lifes nodes near.

Are you actually losing much armor by switching from your IR gear with no dex bonus, provided you pick up the three armor nodes and use virtually all armor equipment? I'm definitely not suggesting pure EVA. The biggest loss is going to be Grace's "free" armor; you'd need to run Determination if you weren't before.