jsp and PoE

I don't consider selling items to be unethical myself, you could argue that buying them is but I don't see anything wrong with selling.

Myself I wanted to actually sell PoE stuff for real money but I'm actually gonna refrain from doing this simply because GGG is actually a company that care about it's customer base and I deeply respect that.


That aside, I got the answer to my question and I'm ok with it.

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wxyjac wrote:

I used d2jsp before; but not because I want to buy items with real money, but because d2 lacks a proper trading platform.

It's very hard to go game to game, asking random person "WUG" and then see if he has items you would want to buy. Even making your own game specific what you want takes very long time to find a trader; and sometimes that trader doesn't want the item you're offering for it.

What d2jsp do, is provide a trading platform for players, buying fg with real money is just their way of making money from it.

PoE, while still in beta; already have a decent enough way to find buyer in game. It still can be improved, as you can't trade with player not online the same time with you, but there's no need for a third party.

Very true. D2JSP was by far the best way to trade on D2. I never invested a cent of real money but was able to trade items for FG and FG for items to actually get what I wanted/needed from what I had... this sure beat the hell out of sitting in a trade game for days trying to trade a random item for a bunch of hrs that would just poof when I left the game....

In short, JSP will live as long as in game trading is cumbersome... or if you try to take a % of the trades....

The majority of people posting here have no idea what JSP really is apparently. You don't directly buy items for cash. You can buy Forum Gold with cash, FG can be used to customize your account. You can also use FG as a barter against items/currency in a multitude of online games. This gives players a platform to trade their WOW gold to get into D2 or vice versa. This is a service to the gaming community imo, nothing wrong about it.

My brother and I used d2jsp for quite awhile and my brother still does. It is the biggest D2 trade forum out there with some of the best and riches people browsing the forums. The beginnings of d2jsp was a D2 bot program for finding loot, but the creator eventually stopped supporting it in favor of running his site as a trade forum.

The one major advantage to having Forum Gold on that server is that it serves as a currency for all games supported. Path of Exile currently has a subforum on d2jsp, so if you wanted to trade items for Forum Gold to buy stuff for a different game, you could. Granted when those transactions go down you should definitely get a moderator who has the authority to report and/or ban people from the site.

I am very curious to see what kind of countermeasures against RMT grinding gears will employ. The barter system is a start, but frankly it's just a tiny speed bump to labor farming and botting.

I am also very curious to see what their reaction will be when the first dupe-exploits are uncovered after live. And there likely WILL be dupe exploits, unless GGG has been extremely cautious with their session code. No mistake that it's been a theme in the genre - hell, even MUDs suffered from dupe glitches. Have to understand a bit about how this works.

As we've seen recently, handling these things poorly can sour the community's outlook.

RMT itself isn't a problem, when employed by gamers. It's the outsiders (non-gamers) flooding the markets that can ruin our economy. Without RMT they wouldn't exist.

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thepmrc wrote:

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wxyjac wrote:

I used d2jsp before; but not because I want to buy items with real money, but because d2 lacks a proper trading platform.

It's very hard to go game to game, asking random person "WUG" and then see if he has items you would want to buy. Even making your own game specific what you want takes very long time to find a trader; and sometimes that trader doesn't want the item you're offering for it.

Very true. D2JSP was by far the best way to trade on D2.

And that is also a problem. If it is super easy to find someone who wants to buy your item, this item have more value. More items are selling for more. That leads to inflation.

Same thing with AH. You dont even have to find someone who wants to buy your stuff. AH does it for you. Your item is always there. That means you can pick up worthless piece of gear and put it on AH (believe it or not but it is possible to get some $$ from RMAH in d3 doing this).
When you have to activly search for someone who wants to buy it, you will not be selling crap. This will not be worth your time.
Thats why D3 have hyperinflation.
We dont want to have ladder restarts (wipes) every month or two.

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thepmrc wrote:

You can also use FG as a barter against items/currency in a multitude of online games. This gives players a platform to trade their WOW gold to get into D2 or vice versa. This is a service to the gaming community imo, nothing wrong about it.

That's another reason why it's a problem. Game developers can't create conditions for a balanced economy when outside influences can completely wreck it.

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WhiteBoy88 wrote:

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thepmrc wrote:

You can also use FG as a barter against items/currency in a multitude of online games. This gives players a platform to trade their WOW gold to get into D2 or vice versa. This is a service to the gaming community imo, nothing wrong about it.

That's another reason why it's a problem. Game developers can't create conditions for a balanced economy when outside influences can completely wreck it.

too much concern over balance these days. The focus should be on player enjoyment not on control, imo.

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WhiteBoy88 wrote:

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thepmrc wrote:

You can also use FG as a barter against items/currency in a multitude of online games. This gives players a platform to trade their WOW gold to get into D2 or vice versa. This is a service to the gaming community imo, nothing wrong about it.

That's another reason why it's a problem. Game developers can't create conditions for a balanced economy when outside influences can completely wreck it.

an economy will always balance itself (and as long as there isn't bots/hacks/exploits, it will be possible to deal with for newcomers, ESPECIALLY since orbs are consumables).

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faerwin2 wrote:

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WhiteBoy88 wrote:

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thepmrc wrote:

You can also use FG as a barter against items/currency in a multitude of online games. This gives players a platform to trade their WOW gold to get into D2 or vice versa. This is a service to the gaming community imo, nothing wrong about it.

That's another reason why it's a problem. Game developers can't create conditions for a balanced economy when outside influences can completely wreck it.

an economy will always balance itself (and as long as there isn't bots/hacks/exploits, it will be possible to deal with for newcomers, ESPECIALLY since orbs are consumables).

Valid point. D2Jsp did not wreck the D2 economy by any means. Botting, Duping and importing did.

You can trade here, on forums.
You dont need to go anywhere else.
The only thing you cant do here is buying gear with not in-game currency.