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Dragon585 wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Dragon585 wrote:

People are going to be like WTF, why did the map progression thread blow up by 15 pages in one night?

MINDFUCK!

And then you will be like WTF, why did mod lock my thread?

If you don't want the fun to come to an end, more on-topic, less pandas-lol.

That said, I think that map progression's biggest issues, in order, are:
1. Affix imbalance
2. Solo vs group disparity
3. Rift between lowest maps and Merc A3

In other words, if you accept that Alchs and Chaos are worthless, because they're shit on gear and shit on maps (with both you need to multi-Alteration then maybe Regal), and you play with a group that fairly splits map costs, then there's no problem with the map system that isn't currently being fixed (see Development Manifesto on #3).

That said, a lot of the QQ on maps is truly misguided, but that's how forums like this work: the unwashed masses are actually pretty keen on knowing when something is wrong, even if they're horrible at knowing what is wrong. The first point means that GGG should still take QQs seriously.

I appreciate the sentiment Scrotie, but I have come to the realization that my feedback was for nothing and really don't care anymore if the thread gets locked. I have added everything I can think of to my OP about how I would fix map progression. There is nothing more I can say about it, and after finding the post from chris on reddit tonight, I know that GGG does indeed intend endgame to be the way it is currently. That is proof enough for me. For now, I am just venting frustration, and chatting with these gents in an effort to calm down and engage in conversation that I won't need to hope is read by someone important.

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Undon3 wrote:

Sadly, the feedback/QQ on maps has been repeated so many times, that by now it feels just boring to discuss that again, and again. It is the same feeling I had as a student in medical univ. on Anatomy lessons, when we dissected the same cadaver for 1 1/2 years (not kidding), and took it out of formaldehyde as needed.

But yeah, we should do our best to keep the topic open... it would be a shame to get it closed. We are still a long way until the projected 900 pages target :)

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Xendran wrote:

The majority of players do agree with you. The people who don't are a vocal minority who, in general (not all of them), wish to bask in their own piles of maps, despite the fact that most people are not having fun with the current implementation.

The reason they don't post is the same reason you consider this thread over: It's not going to do any good.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

That said, a lot of the QQ on maps is truly misguided, but that's how forums like this work: the unwashed masses are actually pretty keen on knowing when something is wrong, even if they're horrible at knowing what is wrong. The first point means that GGG should still take QQs seriously.

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Xendran wrote:

I actually got some responses out of the devs in my "The state of beta feedback" thread.
Then chris posted the new thread in the manifesto, where he specifically asks for player feedback.

Then he posts about how he has to go asleep and is going to have to catch up on 20 pages when he wakes up.





...We haven't heard from Chris since (for 5 days) with the exception of the 10.7b announcement.
In fact, there havent been ANY dev posts in Beta Feedback for 5 days.