Watched Llama D2 resurected beta stream and, I know know why GGG wants a slower game

D2 aint' slow, it's faster game then even POE is. People often act rush, and can instant teleport through maps faster than any POE player. People also have guides to race in D2 to get up to speed just like POE. In terms of gameplay both games are focused on zooming. Dunno wth people are talking about d2 is slow obviously never really played the game for years like veterans.

Ever done MF farming, baal farming how the hell is that slow. The beginning is just as slow as poe as then people build to zoom and teleport. Even the paladins, and barbarians,etc are using teleport.

Once zoomers get geared they will be doing act rushing, baal runs,etc everything is about zooming. I don't know any action rpg that is about slow /dodging game play. Except single player games /roguelikes. dark souls, dead gods,etc.

There is already guides from d2lod for d2r on how to get up to zoom speeding farming in 3 hours time. first you do MF gear farming/ then you do speed leveling runs usually baal runs/cows. Was just playing d2lod today people were speed leveling in cows. Nobody is walking around in d2lod, as soon as they can get geared with runes/teleport is speed zoom.

Just like POE if you don't know what the hell you are doing you are going to be walking around getting rekted in d2 or poe during the acts. the rest of us who have played before know how to get up to speed quickly.

i think people look at d2 with the nostalgia glasses on too much

i played thousands of hours of diablo 2.
i had a few level 98 99 chars
i had one of the top all rare barbs on uswest eth repair cb, chest etc etc and the #1 goldfind barb on all realms that i was aware of

but d2 basically was spam farm 6 or 7 things that was the game for pve
at least poe gives variety

leveling was a joke in d2 you just get rushed then afk in uber till level 90+ then do what you want

the gear was pretty boring and generic very little room for anything beyond the required items unless you were fuckin with dupes and bugged items and imps etc which was a risk for perm or non perm

crafting basically didnt exist

pvp was meh just spam teleport and hope you dont run into a spell flying around
that or do zvz or bvb where you just hope your rng hits are better than your enemies

it was a great game dont get me wrong but it was very simple and not that deep
it was slow and tedious after a time i tried going back to it during covid for nostagia and just couldnt do it it felt like playing in molasses for leveling

playing end game just using enigma and ignore 99 % of game

In D2, the end game was "I kill Baal in 5 seconds" or "I can do a full Baal run in 3 minutes". After level 80 you were pretty much immortal, all builds had a Shako, ALL stat points invested in Vitality (life), and the cube was your only inventory space, because the rest was filled with charms.

Edit: A video for D2 end game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRFiGlToaIo

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Deadandlivin wrote:

The nerfs broke alot of builds in 3.15 making them unplayable.

Source?

Believe it or not d2r is the real threat. A lot of us older gamers are not going to stay on PoE.

Check it out sure, but the main game will not be PoE anymore. It is not a better game.

Loot drops actually mean something in d2. Whens the last time you got excited for a drop in PoE? ha

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RitualMurder wrote:

i think people look at d2 with the nostalgia glasses on too much

i played thousands of hours of diablo 2.
i had a few level 98 99 chars
i had one of the top all rare barbs on uswest eth repair cb, chest etc etc and the #1 goldfind barb on all realms that i was aware of

but d2 basically was spam farm 6 or 7 things that was the game for pve
at least poe gives variety

leveling was a joke in d2 you just get rushed then afk in uber till level 90+ then do what you want

the gear was pretty boring and generic very little room for anything beyond the required items unless you were fuckin with dupes and bugged items and imps etc which was a risk for perm or non perm

crafting basically didnt exist

pvp was meh just spam teleport and hope you dont run into a spell flying around
that or do zvz or bvb where you just hope your rng hits are better than your enemies

it was a great game dont get me wrong but it was very simple and not that deep
it was slow and tedious after a time i tried going back to it during covid for nostagia and just couldnt do it it felt like playing in molasses for leveling

playing end game just using enigma and ignore 99 % of game

Ok and end game PoE you also ignore 99% of the game lmfao.

Pure Stones to 99.. oh wow such sophistication.

Id rather run cbaal

Atleast PVP is an option AND fun in d2. Cant say the same for PoE

Atleast blues/rares can be godly. And are worth looting.

I could go on

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Rinzlow wrote:

back when I played Diablo2 the original back in 2003 or whatever, you couldn't really mawn the lawn in the rpg game and a "slower" progression made it have more of a quality instead of quantity and made those extreme "loot drops" really memorable. As I've stopped playing POE for over a year now I realised POE is pretty much mowing the lawn, and there is no immersion it always felt like a job, you never had that thing when you kill some key boss you stop for 5-6 minutes to eat some pizza and talk it over with your friends, it never quite feels you done something, it's always to the next thing. Let's be real, when you really finish something in POE, the league is pretty much done for you and that is usually week2-week3. I understand now why GGG wants to slow things down, it's the playerbase that has used to mawing the lawn in the last couple of years that is the issue... I wonder will it work ok for them.

Comparing D2 which didn't really have an "end-game" where you basically just farmed the same bosses 24/7 to Path of Exile which has much more to it is kind of cringe.

Also D2 was extremely easy with the right items, just like it is in PoE right now. It was also much easier in my opinion to aquire powerful items in D2 "classic" not to mention the game was littered with dupes, hacked items & more shannnigans.
Also progression was easy as heck since people could just powerlevel you in cow level.

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EastonWins wrote:

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RitualMurder wrote:

i think people look at d2 with the nostalgia glasses on too much

i played thousands of hours of diablo 2.
i had a few level 98 99 chars
i had one of the top all rare barbs on uswest eth repair cb, chest etc etc and the #1 goldfind barb on all realms that i was aware of

but d2 basically was spam farm 6 or 7 things that was the game for pve
at least poe gives variety

leveling was a joke in d2 you just get rushed then afk in uber till level 90+ then do what you want

the gear was pretty boring and generic very little room for anything beyond the required items unless you were fuckin with dupes and bugged items and imps etc which was a risk for perm or non perm

crafting basically didnt exist

pvp was meh just spam teleport and hope you dont run into a spell flying around
that or do zvz or bvb where you just hope your rng hits are better than your enemies

it was a great game dont get me wrong but it was very simple and not that deep
it was slow and tedious after a time i tried going back to it during covid for nostagia and just couldnt do it it felt like playing in molasses for leveling

playing end game just using enigma and ignore 99 % of game

Ok and end game PoE you also ignore 99% of the game lmfao.

Pure Stones to 99.. oh wow such sophistication.

Id rather run cbaal

Atleast PVP is an option AND fun in d2. Cant say the same for PoE

Atleast blues/rares can be godly. And are worth looting.

I could go on

tell me about the end game of d2
ill wait

On good side d3 devs must feel like shit that even 20-year old outdated d2 is more intresting than that garbage d3.

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EastonWins wrote:

Loot drops actually mean something in d2. Whens the last time you got excited for a drop in PoE? ha

Any unique or divination card worth an exalt or more, including exalted orbs themselves.