Watched Llama D2 resurected beta stream and, I know know why GGG wants a slower game

back when I played Diablo2 the original back in 2003 or whatever, you couldn't really mawn the lawn in the rpg game and a "slower" progression made it have more of a quality instead of quantity and made those extreme "loot drops" really memorable. As I've stopped playing POE for over a year now I realised POE is pretty much mowing the lawn, and there is no immersion it always felt like a job, you never had that thing when you kill some key boss you stop for 5-6 minutes to eat some pizza and talk it over with your friends, it never quite feels you done something, it's always to the next thing. Let's be real, when you really finish something in POE, the league is pretty much done for you and that is usually week2-week3. I understand now why GGG wants to slow things down, it's the playerbase that has used to mawing the lawn in the last couple of years that is the issue... I wonder will it work ok for them.

Just a side note:
I don't really believe D4 is any kind of threat to POE, the way things are going in Blizzard now it's just one dumpster fire after another. It's probably going to end up being a mobile game with lots of loot boxes... they just living on fame now.

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Rinzlow wrote:

Just a side note:
I don't really believe D4 is any kind of threat to POE, the way things are going in Blizzard now it's just one dumpster fire after another. It's probably going to end up being a mobile game with lots of loot boxes... they just living on fame now.

Diablo 4 will be healthy for PoE, it will have a high tempo with loot showers and players will have a great time for a few days while praising the game. However it will get old fast, nothing will feel valuable anymore and the game will se a steep drop in players.

Then they will crawl back to PoE and finally understand why GGG are trying their best to slow down the game.

D2 was even more speed meta than PoE. Not only you could rush difficulties pretty quickly if you know what you were doing, everybody was rushing their friends, farming consisted on farming very few areas a very few different ways and repeating asap, it was mechanical and stupid...

There was way way more noobs playing D2 than PoE, very few people sensible to the notion of optimisation and meta(you had to actively go and search for it with some lycos researches xd), and tbh the game was as fast as PoE , with some areas containing fast as f monsters that would stunlock a non prepared character.

I don't know if I'd buy it, but honestly even if you don't know anything about the game, with just a basic guide you would be end game day 1 solo and you'd get in decent shape day 2 even with terrible luck, so easy to get carried by few mid tier runewords reliably.

narrow loot pool, narrow build viability. Offset by gambling, easy character creation..allowing a certain character for certain ubers or whatever.

It wasnt such a boring ass chore to level a fun character to hunt gear for an ubers character. Gets boring the billionth run but....it has that hook that can make ya want to.

D2 for me was special as it had a good minion option with blink chest. fun to farm keys, bosses, etc.

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Rinzlow wrote:

back when I played Diablo2 the original back in 2003 or whatever, you couldn't really mawn the lawn in the rpg game and a "slower" progression made it have more of a quality instead of quantity and made those extreme "loot drops" really memorable. As I've stopped playing POE for over a year now I realised POE is pretty much mowing the lawn, and there is no immersion it always felt like a job, you never had that thing when you kill some key boss you stop for 5-6 minutes to eat some pizza and talk it over with your friends, it never quite feels you done something, it's always to the next thing. Let's be real, when you really finish something in POE, the league is pretty much done for you and that is usually week2-week3. I understand now why GGG wants to slow things down, it's the playerbase that has used to mawing the lawn in the last couple of years that is the issue... I wonder will it work ok for them.

What? Why would you stop playing for 5minutes after killing a boss?
I played a lot of D2, and never ever I have randomly stopped for 5mins after killing a monster. And even in D2 everyone is looking for fastest and most efficient ways to progress. It's player choice, if he wants to go slow or fast (same in PoE, you can choose to play slowly). And in some ways D2 is even more zoomy than PoE (unlimited teleport spam or super speeds without time limit);

D2 end game loop is create game, do something anywhere from 30 seconds to a few minutes, kill some boss and look at the trash on the ground, exit game, repeat. Then proceed to do this for hundreds or thousands of times per day.

I think my fastest Pindlerun was 27 seconds from menu to menu. Enter game, blink blink blink, click portal, blink blink blink, shoot Pindle, glance at garbage on the floor, exit game, repeat. Fun times. That's the nostalgia everyone's after. Other runs weren't much better either.

So, I don't know about "slower game". Yeah, D2 is very slow when you're starting out. When you're in the end game though, and farming for items, you'll be teleporting everywhere. Meph runs on a sorc were even faster movement than the fastest map clears in PoE. Just screen flashes as you teleport looking for the stairs.

you got unlimited teleport spam in poe too. only difference is you kill the mobs in poe youre not just going straight to the boss.


im playing resurrected atm. im 39 so i played diablo 1 when it first came out, i played d2 when it came out, i played the games that were somewhat similar in vague ways to all this before these games came out like heimdall and chaos engine.

yes memories yes nostalgia, but also lets be honest its both great because memories and nostalgia and also its crap.

potion system. charms, ive only got to the cold planes and already ive got 3 slots taken up by a grand charm zzzzz just garbage mechanics. stamina bar, garbage. i cant set a force walk key on the keyboard, my click finger already hurts playing this thing having to click click click everywhere i move. what people are describing about the endgame is basically what ur eventually left with as the only thing you can do because there is no endgame.


its an amazing game for its time. that was 20 years ago, by the standards of a game like poe its a terrible game. im enjoying it a lot, im old enough that i would enjoy space invaders still because i played a lot of space invaders as a kid. but compare space invaders to geometry wars, and then compare space invaders to eve online...

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

by the standards of a game like poe its a terrible game.

you're a funny guy

its true, compared to poe diablo 2 is absolute garbage.