Why people so hurt over this expansion

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Xyel wrote:

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

LOL 3.13 was a porsche, what a joke.

Seeing you haven't played 3.13 at all, it's rather difficult to take you seriously.

I had to play in a dog shit league to watch videos of people building items like lego building blocks ? Weird.

3.13 only had its numbers because of the EOTA expansion.

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

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Xyel wrote:

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

LOL 3.13 was a porsche, what a joke.

Seeing you haven't played 3.13 at all, it's rather difficult to take you seriously.

I had to play in a dog shit league to watch videos of people building items like lego building blocks ? Weird.

3.13 only had its numbers because of the EOTA expansion.

And this is why it's relevant - you didn't play it, you have barely any knowledge about it, but you still think you understand things perfectly, and certainly much better than all the people who did play it, loved it, and want harvest back.

But no, they must all be wrong, and you are right. The fact that yesterday's peak number of players, not even a month into the league, was lower than the daily peak of any day in the 3 months of 3.13 cannot poossibly be explained by the game becoming worse.

The tens of thousands of people who player in 3.13 must had been downright delusional when they enjoyed the game and don't enjoy it now, right:?

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jerot wrote:

I started in open beta and I haven't missed a league since Breach.


It's funny to me how many people I see defending the patch that have never experienced most of the endgame. They've never finished the atlas let alone doing awakening 8/9 sirus, delirium, maven, or other challenging encounters. It's okay if you've never set your goals that high, everyone plays for different reasons. But don't act all high and mighty about people not rising to the challenge or sticking to the meta when you've been playing the game on easy mode the whole time.

This isn't to say people who are enjoying the game now are wrong for doing so. Just don't dismiss everyone who is critical of the game as being lazy or unskilled. There are many things to be critical about, we all just want the game to be the best it can be. There were better ways of structing these nerfs to preserve build diversity, and/or they could have saved them for a more content heavy patch or bundled them with more quality of life changes to offset the negativity.

This has to be one of the most eloquent posts I have ever read on this forum. It is, in my opinion, perfect as to the state of things today.

I have a question - So if they are trying to slow the game down (as you posted in a reply to Phrazz), do you feel the leagues after PoE 2 will be longer than 3 months? The 2 main reasons I am against slowing things down, we only get 3 months to complete a league & I like to get done in a decent period of time so I can either play something else or try other builds.

Also what are your's or anyone else's thoughts on
From a company (owner(s) of PoE) perspective, should they really care how long anyone plays? I mean all that should matter is how many MTX's are bought. I do not know about anyone else, but I tend to be more generous when I am happy.

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Xyel wrote:

And this is why it's relevant - you didn't play it, you have barely any knowledge about it, but you still think you understand things perfectly, and certainly much better than all the people who did play it, loved it, and want harvest back.

But no, they must all be wrong, and you are right. The fact that yesterday's peak number of players, not even a month into the league, was lower than the daily peak of any day in the 3 months of 3.13 cannot poossibly be explained by the game becoming worse.

The tens of thousands of people who player in 3.13 must had been downright delusional when they enjoyed the game and don't enjoy it now, right:?

My friends list has some of the top crafters in the game on it, the information for 3.13 is openly available. Again, dont have to play "short bus" the league in order to have an understanding of the game mechanics and functionality. Its hilarious that you think that though.

Dont tell me "you barely know anything" when i more than know more than you.

No one gives a shit about your misconstrued, misinterpreted numbers, no matter how many times you bring them up.

3.13 was a dog shit league that lead this game on a terrible path, theres no disputing it and GGG even acknowledges it too, so why are you trying to argue when even the game devs say youre wrong ? LOL

"yOu DuNt KnOw AnYtHiNG , HaRVeSt IS RuINed, CrAFTinG iS DeAD"



So just magic that im able to craft top end piece ? Im totally not absuing my knowledge of the crafting system to easily craft top pieces for dirt cheap. Its almost as if crafting is perfectly fine still and you guys are whining over nothing. Oh wait, thats exactly what youre doing cause you cant bob-the-builder 6T1 rares.

In before "build diversity" bullshit, nothing is build defining on influenced items that you cant either easily get with harvest rolls or off other itemization.

I wish GGG would show the statistical metrics for harvest/fossil/veiled/essence interaction but they wont, as to not make the people spouting this bullshit feel embarrassed of themselves.

Problem with the modern POE players is they cant be humble by admitting their wrong and dont have the knowledge they claim they have but want to bitch and preach about everything as if they do. Youd learn a lot by admitting your wrong and asking for help or learning the game, wonder when poe players stopped doing that and grew such massive egos. Even i know theres shit i dont know and ask people for help still constantly with things i dont understand fully, its literally what i had to do when i came back after 4 years of not playing the game.

*mic drop*.

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bustr wrote:

That's false on so many Levels, its almost degen.

Harvest Crafting in Ritual did in fact not make anything obsolete, it added a value to the time and effort you put into the game and minimized reliance on RNG.

Harvest literally does that right now, youre going to call other degens yet i, as a casual, am telling you, youre wrong and gaslighting others into believing a completely baseless, false, misconception of how crafting in this game functions right now.

This guy really just linked me a cutedog video as if he isnt a meta drone lol. Cutedog is literally one of the most egotistical streamers in the entire community and is completely dethatched from the reality of the state of the game, good try though.

Imagine saying a streamer, who plays 6+ hours a day, is a good representation of the "casual player base" and what is and isnt good for the game.

Not watching your little streamers video either, not gonna listen to unintelligible rambling that is 90% of streamers in the modern poe era. Cant believe someone just linked me that trash.

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samuelx2013 wrote:

even with those huge nerfs the old builds can still be played and do maybe not insane damage but still good damage.

Try RF

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Harvest literally does that right now, youre going to call other degens yet i, as a casual, am telling you, youre wrong and gaslighting others into believing a completely baseless, false, misconception of how crafting in this game functions right now.

You are doing the same thing, crafting isn't dead with current harvest but it isn't cheap either regardless of if you know the systems. Adding a single mod is a couple of ex and that's pretty good tbh cost wise but that's a best case scenario for item tweaking after the general high expense of initial rolling.

The issue of value is why you can't see eye to eye with anyone, if you have plenty of currency craftings pretty good it gets slightly better each patch generally. However if you don't have currency available Harvest and Ritual were the only leagues where you could simulate double digits ex crafts without any currency.

Overpowered? Depends entirely on your perspective which is a problem GGG struggle with consistently - those items they don't want us to have are still there, they just lowered the number of players with access to them.

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

a huge pile of bullshit

You are so delusional it's pointless to attempt to explain anything to you.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Harvest literally does that right now, youre going to call other degens yet i, as a casual, am telling you, youre wrong and gaslighting others into believing a completely baseless, false, misconception of how crafting in this game functions right now.

You are doing the same thing, crafting isn't dead with current harvest but it isn't cheap either regardless of if you know the systems. Adding a single mod is a couple of ex and that's pretty good tbh cost wise but that's a best case scenario for item tweaking after the general high expense of initial rolling.

The issue of value is why you can't see eye to eye with anyone, if you have plenty of currency craftings pretty good it gets slightly better each patch generally. However if you don't have currency available Harvest and Ritual were the only leagues where you could simulate double digits ex crafts without any currency.

Overpowered? Depends entirely on your perspective which is a problem GGG struggle with consistently - those items they don't want us to have are still there, they just lowered the number of players with access to them.

No, im not doing the same thing, im going at it from an entirely objective point of view.

"Harvest isnt cheap", thats false.

Harvest has no entry cost and the only amount of currency spent interacting with it is metamod crafts.

Please explain to me how 1-2 exalts is "too expensive" for a crafting system thats saving you thousands of chaos orbs equivalent in currency rolls by taking away a large amount of the RNG ?

The problem is people arent objectively viewing Harvest, they put their emotions ahead of themselves.

Let me put this into perspective, yet again, on the cost efficiency aspect of Harvest.

Lets say T1 life on a chest piece is 1/400 alterations. Using that number we can determine the relative cost via chaos orbs (this could be more or less dependent on luck). The current expedition exchange rate is 1 chaos per 6 alteration orbs. This mean in order to see this roll you would spend roughly 66 chaos to see it.

Now on top of that, you need to augment a good roll and regal a good roll by the traditional method. This increased exponentially depending on what youre trying to go for. Traditional crafting methods not only require you to sink a large amount of currency, but they also force you to start over if you dont get what you desire. That is "old crafting" in a nutshell before all these new crafting methods came.

Harvest literally removes all other roll potentials and forces specific mod groups. Which gets rid of a huge amount of RNG. This saves an obscene amount of currency. Im sure someone much more intelligent than me in math could work out those values but ill just leave it at "an obscene amount" because comparatively thats exactly what it is.

Anyways. You spent no currency at all utilizing the harvest crafts. All the currency saved by not expending any of your own currency to utilize it. You think that its "expensive" when Harvest saves people literally hundreds if not thousands of chaos orbs in value ? That legitimately makes zero sense to me.

1-2 exalts is not a lot of currency at all, im pretty sure 99% of the player base would agree. Spending 1-2 exalts in the case of deterministically hitting 3 mods which can never brick thanks to harvests "prefix/suffix" rerolls is not asking a lot at all.

I might be inclined to agree IF harvest cost currency to use, but it doesnt. This is more than likely how GGG sees it. Harvest also makes "bricking" items impossible. Anything that has 3 good suffixes or prefixes is never bricked because the "suffix/prefix" rerolls Harvest has, which arent at all uncommon.