Why people so hurt over this expansion

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Phrazz wrote:

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TorsteinTheFallen wrote:

You still don't get it do you.

3.13 was the Porsche 911 of PoE. They've hit winning formula for the game. There was no need anymore to chase powercreep and MOAAR.
Only thing they had to do is to finally fine tune, balance and perfect existing stuff.

What they did instead? Tried to reinvent the wheel and the results are here and no one can turn the blind eye anymore. Game went to shit. Chris is having salvage appearance in Baeclast, which i think will be just another disappointment for the community.

You still fail to answer any of my questions.

And I do get it, you view 3.13 as the peak of PoE. Why? Several reasons, some of them being easy gear acquisition, easy access to content and easy character building/development.

Which makes me ask: What if they went the other way from 3.13, making the game even faster, even easier, with greater access to better gear, would you like or dislike that?

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Anscendant wrote:

I also want to make an observation here.

OP's highest character is Lvl 92.
OP has never killed Elder.
OP has never killed Shaper.
OP has never killed Maven.
OP has never leveled the old masters to their maximum level even though his account is 8 years old.
OP has never filled out his atlas with watchstones.

This is not an attempt to knock the OP or to bash anyone, but it must be stated that someone who has not at the very least played a lot of endgame does not really understand the frustrations that endgame grinders have with the game. Something that OP sees as not a problem or barely a problem could turn into a huge problem in endgame or the more you play.

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TorsteinTheFallen wrote:

ofc it can be fucked up going into extreme either way. And they did just that...

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Phrazz wrote:

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TorsteinTheFallen wrote:

You still don't get it do you.

3.13 was the Porsche 911 of PoE. They've hit winning formula for the game. There was no need anymore to chase powercreep and MOAAR.
Only thing they had to do is to finally fine tune, balance and perfect existing stuff.

What they did instead? Tried to reinvent the wheel and the results are here and no one can turn the blind eye anymore. Game went to shit. Chris is having salvage appearance in Baeclast, which i think will be just another disappointment for the community.

You still fail to answer any of my questions.

And I do get it, you view 3.13 as the peak of PoE. Why? Several reasons, some of them being easy gear acquisition, easy access to content and easy character building/development.

Which makes me ask: What if they went the other way from 3.13, making the game even faster, even easier, with greater access to better gear, would you like or dislike that?

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Phrazz wrote:

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TorsteinTheFallen wrote:

ofc it can be fucked up going into extreme either way. And they did just that...

...By introducing Harvest.

I liked Harvest, because I treat every league as its own game, so to speak. And Harvest was fun for one league. But the fact that Harvest made EVERY OTHER mechanic in the game obsolete, made it impossible to introduce "new, exciting rewards", without "going into extremes", as you so eloquently put it. Because to even make future rewards "OK'ish", they would have to make it compete with Harvest rewards, something that would excell the power creep spiral even more.

That's the main reason why people have been screaming "bad rewards" in recent leagues, because they compare it to Harvest; something that is impossible to challenge without them "going into extremes".

So Harvest was "extreme", and it was so extreme that everything else feels bad to many people.

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Anscendant wrote:

But here's what really got people worried and angry;
ALL signs point toward more and more nerfs until we get to a point where PoE1 doesn't exist anymore and all we are left with is a completely different game in PoE2. And from what I can tell, most people don't want that as PoE1 has been a fast game for more than half a decade.

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Moridin79 wrote:

It's pretty simple for me. Slightly easier avenues (like harvest in 3.13) to acquire gear for interesting, higher end builds (like my ritual autobomber for example) made me stick around and play LONGER than any other league. I played every single day of 3.13.

That aspiration and ways to get there have for the most part been removed and hence a lot of the fun as well, for me. Which is why this league has been such a struggle for me.

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samuelx2013 wrote:

I'm trying to figure it out, but can't get it yet.

Yes GGG nurfed most of the build's by 40-60% of the base damage.

Let's take 3.14 for example, that's where toxic rain got nerfd pertty bad if I recall, But yet people played toxic rain with insane damage EVEN AFTER THE NERF.

Let's be honest a little bit, I also love the option to just "zooooom" from act 1-10 in no time with minimal investment, Before the nerf I managed to finish act 1-10 in less of 5h, and now it takes me about 8h.. big deal, +3 more hours til I can start mapping.( and I play 3h a day)

even with those huge nerfs the old builds can still be played and do maybe not insane damage but still good damage.

Everyone wanted to have that "insane" build that will cost no more then 10ex including me, but with the nerfs it will take me more time to get that currency and that's OK!, that's how games suppose to be, POE is the only game I ever met that you can get to end game within 3 days, go play WoW and try to get to "endgame" within 3 days.

everyone just talking about the nerfs and how is GGG don't give a fuck about the player and yada yada yada, look at the plus sides, headhunter is something you can get with no time and with not that huge investment with the new league mechanics. I've been playing POE since legion, and I don't lie when I say that I've never got my hands on a headhunter, no matter how many times I tried. and this league I manage to get it under 5ex investment.
Never mind that, I can go on and on telling the bad in those nerfs and the goods.

What I'm trying to say is that, try to find a way to get the most enjoyable time out of this game, even with the nerfs.
Your build got nerfed to the ground?? that's ok go and try to play a different build style, The amount of build's people have been made even with the nerfs are ridicules (and the build's I've found that people made doing more then 70m dps) So you can have a "insane" build, it just a matter on how much time you want to spend on it, My build is aura stacker (that's a fucking 350+ex build) and slowly I'm getting there.

If you still think is league is sucks then go ahead think that.

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samuelx2013 wrote:

I'm trying to figure it out, but can't get it yet.

Everyone wanted ....

everyone just talking ....

What I'm trying to say is ....