Beware People Scamming Shavronne's Wrappings
" The trade window is one thing. Sure, it can be improved. Sure, it can be made bullet proof. Blame GGG for being unreasonably stubborn on the topic. But trading for stuff that isn't supported by GGG? You can't blame them for that. You KNOW there's no mechanic for it in the game. You KNOW it's trust based. You KNOW that "runs" and "services" aren't supported commodities. By definition, you're not supposed to trade for stuff like that. The game doesn't support it. Should the game support it? Not in my opinion. Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.
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If we're going to discuss the problem of service-based scams, we should start a different thread and go to town there. It's not fair to the OP to derail things so thoroughly. But if someone makes it, I'll be happy to contribute my 2scraps' worth.
This should be sufficient encouragement to maybe not. ;) And they said *I* was bad at PoE. At least I made it out of act 1 and know how to use the /dnd function. El oh fucking el.
I am Path of Exile's biggest whale. Period. |
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None of this is new or even unique to PoE. Guild Wars 1, one of the longer running and well rated MMO uses a trade system very akin to PoEs. In fact PoEs is a step ahead as theirs does not require us to hover over items before confirming.
There scamming exist in a far more brutal way, many materials and collectables in that game use the same visual icon in the item window, meaning you indeed have to hover over and see the text pop up for many things to be sure you are getting the right thing you want. And due to this yes indeed, a common scam to run on the newbs is to sell something rare and swap it for some common trash mat of the same visual many do it so boldly they just do it the first time and dont try the oops I hit R and ran to far away and crashed the trade window lets do it again trick. Happened to me once and only once on my early days in that game and never again in any MMO ever since. So I actually find many of these so called scams posted about here to be frank and honest, truly laughable in a yes somewhat mean spirited gawd damn people can be dumb as can be to fall for this kind of shit kind of way. Saying that, I certainly dont see why in a well invested in game like PoE with very active development, suggestions like the colors and links of items being a more visually eye catching glow in trade, or some kind of text box added to trade windows that describe an item including slots and links is so out of line to inspire argument. UI updating is sop in games, when new ideas come up that make things easier for our eyes to take in info rapidly for our brain to process more quickly, are good things. Hell arguing against UI updates is like hating on loot filters imo. Honestly if trading in game didnt require face to face for our toons, if I could for example click on an item linked in trade chat and instantly open up a trade window with just that item in it, then it would still make us be trading in game, but allow instant access to an item we want, with no way of them swapping the item out for another. |
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" Hate to tell you but no MMO ever has treated what you described as something actionable on part of admin. Runs, power leveling, crafting rare items in advance without an upfront payment, all are beware player beware actions in EVERY MMO EVER! Likewise naming and shaming is a actionable offense on almost every MMO forum ever. Because the first is something you do that is outside the bounds of the official trade system. If you choose to trust someone you have no reason to trust, then sorry but you basically were the one breaking the rules by having a player run you in content you had no business being in. Meanwhile we only have your word to take that someone did this to you. That is why naming and shaming is a rules violation on most MMO forums. What you are complaining about is in no way specific to PoE. Any mmo from EQ1 to whatever johnny come lately MMO is out, will not consider a player interaction trade based around action and service rendered rather then official trade window stuff as something to enforce. For example running players between areas that can be hard for some to cross alone is common in GW1, and plenty will do it for free. Some will charge for it, and some will charge for it, lead the players into a death trap, then log off laughing. And that player has done nothing against the rules, meanwhile those who got fucked over if they do try to report the event can get both punished for naming and shaming, and for trying to bypass content via having another player do it for them, without taking part actively because they are not prepared to, is piking, which is against the games rules and an actionable offense. See your mistake is not understanding that your action in trying to hire another player to carry you through content is trying to exploit the game, thus its an action you dont get to call foul on if it goes sideways for you. |
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You cannot get scammed if you check your window before you click accept.
Don't just assume the item is the same as the one they initially put in. For example. Your brain could see a 6link, they swap with 6s5l and if you don't double check you could get scammed. The system is fine, you cannot get scammed if you double check before agreeing to the deal. You only have yourself to blame if you get scammed. Trust-based scams like carries or modding are a risk you have to AGREE with. This is a player driven issue and economy. This is why you have threads with people that have good reputations and so forth. Last edited by poeGT#1333 on Oct 1, 2020, 11:12:20 AM
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Automate trade =/= AH.
I hate to keep beating the dead horse but the China client has an automate trade. It's not an AH, it's automate trade. Instead of going to poe.trade, searching, whispering to 47347 players, getting invite, and finally trade (here is the part that the scam happens) you just in-game search for an item, see the price, pay and both parts get what they want. That's very different from an AH. Yeah AH sucks, D3 was ruined because of it, no game must have ever any form of AH. but an automate trade do wonders for QoL. It will eliminate the human interaction part of trading, wich is when and where the scams happen. "There's no thing like random one-shots in this game. You only die because you take 353,456,237 hits in 0.2 seconds."
"The best items in the game should not be crafted, they should be TRADED." - Cent, GGG |
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Not much more to say other than Poe 2.0 will remove links/gem sockets altogether. Perhaps that creates a new scam: 5 "link" gem scams when you think you're buying a 6. Who knows....
Some uniques like Windripper bows' links can be harder to see. You can easily overlook the link between the #2 and #3 socket. The color of the bow is fairly similar to a link. |
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" That is why a lot of games refer to them as a marketplace or trading window. Usually they'll come up with something appropriate for their content, such as the Black Lion Trading Company for Guild Wars 2. And that's the irony of what happened with Path of Exile's trading 'evolution'. People (and I'll include myself here) were so adamant against what Diablo 3 had (a streamlined marketplace labelled an auction house that Blizzard themselves were allowing people to essentially RMT and then taking a cut) that we were left with something else: a raw D2 style trade window and nothing else. There was much buzz about forum-based trading but that's another deceased equine I have no desire to scourge any further. And if you want an active economy, nothing but a D2-style window isn't going to cut it. So of course players were like, what can we do about this? It didn't take long for sites like poe.xyz.is (IIRC) to pop up and BASICALLY do what for PoE what everyone said they didn't want: a single place where trade listings could be indexed, searched, compared, and arranged. No one wanted to admit it, but PoE was clearly in need of something like Diablo 3's Auction House. And by the time the game was completely dependent on poe.xyz.is under its latest name, poe.trade, a third party site that may or may not be run by very shady individuals indeed, all GGG had to do was create an official version just in case that was true. Yet again, their devoted playerbase had done the work for them, as they would with other essential tools like the loot filter, character builders, and the wiki itself. Naturally a web-based trade indexer wasn't going to fly on console *or* in China where the game had no such history of anti-D3 sentiment and players expect convenience as a trade-off for supporting f2p games, so in both cases, an in-game marketplace just made sense. It's fucking 2020 guys. Get with the damn program and get over it. It's not 2013 anymore. It's okay to admit in-game marketplaces are normal and handy. They allow you to get back to doing what you're SUPPOSED to be doing in an ARPG: killing and looting shit. But of course you have so-called PC Masterrace Exiles STILL fucking banging on about how bad Diablo 3 was and thank the GGGods we don't have what they had -- with absolutely not even an iota of self-awareness that the main version of their game not only has what Diablo 3 had (minus the RMT aspect) but seems to do just fine with it...or that what they do use is nothing more than an ad hoc bastardised version of it to which the words 'ridiculously fucking clunky for a 2020 game' could be applied if you were feeling unusually generous. And they said *I* was bad at PoE. At least I made it out of act 1 and know how to use the /dnd function. El oh fucking el.
I am Path of Exile's biggest whale. Period. |
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As far as AH's go, I've used the one in City of Heroes, Champions Online, I think SWG (StarWars Galaxies) had one, Star Wars The Old Republic, WoW (before any dlcs and just a lvl 60 cap)...
City of Heroes and SWG both long gone now. In SWG players relied far more upon selling their stuff from vendors in their homes and guild houses. City of Heroes was probably the only "true" auction house I recall as it wasn't just buyouts but also had hidden reserves and actual bidding. Swtor has your general expectation, everything is instant buyout only (no "auction") and the usual fees. It was also flooded with plenty of junk that never sells. Aside from some key consumables and mats, the real market was almost entirely cosmetics from lootboxes or bought directly from their store. As all the real gearing aside from a handful of pieces were bound that market was basically real money spent on cosmetics masked by the usage of credits. Champions was limited because there really wasn't alot worth selling. However, their introduction of questionite allowed F2P players (or ones simply not wanting to spend much) to use in game earnings and buy items normally sold for real money. Players who preferred to minimize grind by paying money basically funded this economy. Wow is probably the most similar (though still far different) to PoE. I wasn't there all that long, but its a good place to reference. As most desirable gear was binding I basically remember mats and spell tomes and probably cosmetics. Given the time spent to gather mats and craft potions (along with the associated skills) that sold reliably given the focus on group play. But so many folks pushing for an AH fail to consider a few things. Gearing is almost always binded in AH games. That six link explody chest you want to use, just remember you can't sell it later. Oh you want that exclusive boss drop? Sorry you need to be in the party and in the room when it drops, as well as all the other times it doesn't until then. Just remove the binds you say? They implemented that for market control not because they hated the players. The other thing people forget is the variance. 1 chaos or 10 chaos is still chaos orbs. But a unique can have so many possibilities. Take a ventor's gamble, they aren't worth the same as the distance between absolute worst rolls and best is massive. Then you've got random rares all over the place. Lastly, some folks think AH simply means instant buy or posting sales. In some games that's more or less how it works. But they have other time sinks in place as well as bound gear and all that mess. The "action rpg" is basically a giant slot machine where you kill shit over and over in the hopes something actually valuable drops. Most of the "loot" has value but is considered junk because it's not even worth the time and effort to vendor. A great deal of the hassle in trading is because so many of us as players fail to factor in the value of time. We want to pay the lowest possible price instead of paying a little extra to make responding more appealing. The other end of the spectrum is we also tend to want too much for something when its "nice" because its typical nicer to us than it actually is. Yep, totally over league play.
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Just Got scammed for a Shavronne's Wrappings yesterday. So excited to try a new build after hard made currency. My fault I know, but really leaves a sour taste in your mouth. There should be some policing or recourse. I'll definitely be more careful next time but for now done with the season and giving all my currency to friends.
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