Difference between Blizzard and GGG

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Tagek wrote:

You simply don't know, you're just assuming they never did.

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zeto wrote:

I do know that blizzard heavily censors their forum, to the degree they can. This is certainly true. I've seen totally innocuous threads get the hammer brought down, just because the topic was about something such as: "why health orbs dropping is a bad system"

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Tagek wrote:

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zeto wrote:

I do know that blizzard heavily censors their forum, to the degree they can. This is certainly true. I've seen totally innocuous threads get the hammer brought down, just because the topic was about something such as: "why health orbs dropping is a bad system"

I can see why they deleted that.
Even just the thread title is implying the OP's opinion is fact. With a title like that I wouldn't expect the content of the thread being very contstructive / friendly.

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

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SnowGoon wrote:

Torchlight was made by a lot of the old devs that made the first Diablo games and it is more cartoony and less gothic and dark than Diablo 3 by far. yet it got lots of praise from players and the media alike.

So, why do you guys keep talking badly about Diablo 3? Most just mention the cartoony feel and tha is is dumbed down(yet they dont even know much since they only got to lvl 13). Of course it has changed some, it is not as realistic or dark, but it is a lot more dark than many games of the genre.

Things change over time, it cannot remain the same. Some embrace change and enjoy it and others cannot adapt and so they miss out on the new things in life.

I think Path of Exile has a more realistic and gritty look to it and it is better in some ways than those other 2 games. So in atmosphere it has the old school look of the dungeon crawlers of old.

But also ithas weaknesses same as diablo or any other game. For instance, it has borrowed its intro and character select from a failure MMORPG(age of conan) and it has copied its UI almost cut and paste from diablo games. That alone would turn off many shalow minded gamers right away calling it a "clone" of other games.

You see all games have flaws and weak points. No reason to just keep bashing a game to make you feel like you are now an elite person playing a far superior game.

I bought all 3 of these games and will enjoy all 3, i don't see why you all feel the need to choose 1 and then bash the others as if you joined a rival gang to the others.

When you say 'you guys' I'm going to assume that you quoted me to include me in your target audience. Which is strange, because what you've said doesn't even respond to what I said. Not in the slightest. Nowhere in my post do I 'bash' any game at all, and quite frankly, I'm slightly insulted you'd perceive my very careful language as something so crass as 'bashing'.

So next time you want to lash out at the anti-D3 crowd, try not to include someone who has repeatedly stated that both games have their appeal, both games succeed at what they set out to do and both games CAN and SHOULD co-exist.

Thank you.

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I think it's a symptom of the beta where you're in the part of the game where we're very deliberately guiding players by handing out a skill here, a rune there. It's really a crafted and linear experience to start (both in system introduction and environment) because the first couple hours are the most crucial to a successful and long term experience. We're not in the mindset to drop all of the game systems on you and say "Good luck, sucker!"

To some the approach we're taking is likely a turnoff because they want to feel like they're part of an elite group able to figure out complex and obtuse game systems, and be challenged the second the game begins. I think if they stick with it they'll find that there is a ton of depth and complexity to the game. We put the depth into the gameplay, skill, and decision making itself and not the requirement to overcome the UI or understand how the game even works.

If you're one of those players you're going to blaze through Normal, hit Nightmare, and things are going to start feeling really good for you. You just have to understand that not everyone is like you, and we're making the game so a wide range of people can enjoy it.

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

Speaking of slippery buggers, Bashiok is spectacularly agile with words. I'd be jealous if I didn't understand it's part of his very unenviable job.

This should be fun.

Bashiok: I think it's a symptom of the beta where you're in the part of the game where we're very deliberately guiding players by handing out a skill here, a rune there. It's really a crafted and linear experience to start (both in system introduction and environment) because the first couple hours are the most crucial to a successful and long term experience. We're not in the mindset to drop all of the game systems on you and say "Good luck, sucker!"

To some the approach we're taking is likely a turnoff because they want to feel like they're part of an elite group able to figure out complex and obtuse game systems, and be challenged the second the game begins. I think if they stick with it they'll find that there is a ton of depth and complexity to the game. We put the depth into the gameplay, skill, and decision making itself and not the requirement to overcome the UI or understand how the game even works.

Me: if 'elite group' refers to the people who had no trouble figuring out Diablo 2 without hand-holding at the beginning, then I seriously question the current definition of 'elite', because there were some DUMB MOFOS playing that game just fine. This is surprisingly strong a term for Bashiok. I'm impressed. Of course, I happily wear the mantle of 'elitist' in an age where caring about spelling whenever one writes, thinking for one's self, not being afraid to ask questions and research if one doesn't know, and most importantly, a willingness to experiment and make mistakes in order to learn are all traits of the 'elitist' and not 'the average person.'

Bashiok: If you're one of those players you're going to blaze through Normal, hit Nightmare, and things are going to start feeling really good for you. You just have to understand that not everyone is like you, and we're making the game so a wide range of people can enjoy it.

Me: I find this quite condescending! 'One of those players' indeed. I'm certainly not 'one of those players' -- most of PoE remains virtually arcane to me, the skill tree might as well be the Tree of Sefiroth for all I can understand it. But it intrigues me; its mystery is most likely the same as its secret, and that secret is of course there is no secret. It's huge and tantalising and probably very simple once you understand it.

I doubt I'd blaze through Normal D3. Very much so. I think I'd get bored of it before doing so. And if it bores me the first time, it's not going to be that much more interesting to me the next. I simply do not fit into the imagined player-bases at Blizzard 2.0, which is sad because Blizzard 1.0 made me the way I am, the most it allowed me to throw a sword into the necromancer's hand and use his bone spells for defence, his curses as offence.

I was right. It was fun. Much more fun than Bashiok's explanation for the word 'rocket' being used in Sanctuary, that's for sure. :)