3.10 Has Greater Class/Ascendancy Variety Than Any League In Recent Memory!

league has the greatest variety of builds , 5 herald BV guardian - Hold my beer.
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MasterTBC wrote:
You must have been daydreaming you debunked nothing.
All you said was that people are on their starter characters however most people quit the league after 2 weeks and will only play 1 character.
The 20% that remain might do other builds but they obviously aren't viable without massive currency.
A 100+ exalt build isn't even worth to think about in balancing.

Out of all the Assasin, Slayer, Champion and Berserker 65% are using Cyclone
Cyclone is 21% of the playerbase

Cyclone hasn't been buffed
Its not the flavour of the league build

Necro has 9% usage on skellies and that was nerfed for some reason
LESS THAN 1% of the playerbase are using that skill

GGG completely fucked the balance its obvious


1) less players being online at the same time isn't equivalent to player retention. It's obvious that most people will play at the same time on launch weekend and less frequently afterwards. People have jobs & lives outside of gaming and I am getting super tired of people not understanding that basic concept.

2) if these players play only one build it's gonna be one of the standard starter characters which further proves why those stats don't matter. These people aren't crossed out of the statistics and remain as such

3) a skill not being meta or commonly played doesn't mean it sucks. I have played many off-meta builds to great success. I play SSF, mind you, so your bs with "massive investment" doesn't even apply. What builds the vast majority of people are playing is also influenced by streamer personalities and YouTubers with a large following.

4) Cyclone doesn't need to be buffed to be in a good spot. It's a good skill and fun to play with. Other skills offer a much different experience that's more technical. Some people like me prefer such, but a lot of people just aren't very good at video games. It's only natural that a skill like Cyclone is popular, especially since it is one of the most flexible skills to build around. There's always the pure phys impale Cyclone, but since it has such a high hit rate and the channeling tag, it also sees use for Cast on Crit builds and to auto-cast spells for Necromancers, Tricksters and what-not. Cyclone is a god-given for a game like this that emphasizes build diversity and depth and you failing to understand that (and to misread statistics) is prove enough that some people just think they know shit about PoE. Quite frankly put, you don't.

5) Skellies were rightfully nerfed this season and should have been nerfed after Blight league already. They still wreck on single target, especially since the addition of a cluster jewel notable that makes impale stacking even easier for necros. The patch notes have a huge influence on player build choices as it has been acknowledged by Chris and other members of his staff before. They say they nerf a skill & even if it means it's around a 5% drop in DPS people assume the skill is dead and look for something else. Same rule applies with Skellies. Yes, people are dumb and you should know that.

6) The nature of this game is we're given new content and new possibilities every season and are consistently breaking the game ourselves as has been proven with the numerous iterations of e.g. the Wormblaster build. That's what makes this game fun. You're playing SC trade league which by no means is a competitive realm. You have entire guilds of players fund one person's build to make it to the top and countless other methods to make it obviously non-competitive. If you have the balls and stand by your sentiment, go and play SSF-HC.

I hope I got my point across this time, because it's really tiring to hear you re-iterate the same senseless bs.
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
Last edited by ArtCrusade#4438 on Mar 29, 2020, 10:32:41 AM
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ArtCrusade wrote:
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MasterTBC wrote:
You must have been daydreaming you debunked nothing.
All you said was that people are on their starter characters however most people quit the league after 2 weeks and will only play 1 character.
The 20% that remain might do other builds but they obviously aren't viable without massive currency.
A 100+ exalt build isn't even worth to think about in balancing.

Out of all the Assasin, Slayer, Champion and Berserker 65% are using Cyclone
Cyclone is 21% of the playerbase

Cyclone hasn't been buffed
Its not the flavour of the league build

Necro has 9% usage on skellies and that was nerfed for some reason
LESS THAN 1% of the playerbase are using that skill

GGG completely fucked the balance its obvious


1) less players being online at the same time isn't equivalent to player retention. It's obvious that most people will play at the same time on launch weekend and less frequently afterwards. People have jobs & lives outside of gaming and I am getting super tired of people not understanding that basic concept.

2) if these players play only one build it's gonna be one of the standard starter characters which further proves why those stats don't matter. These people aren't crossed out of the statistics and remain as such

3) a skill not being meta or commonly played doesn't mean it sucks. I have played many off-meta builds to great success. I play SSF, mind you, so your bs with "massive investment" doesn't even apply. What builds the vast majority of people are playing is also influenced by streamer personalities and YouTubers with a large following.

4) Cyclone doesn't need to be buffed to be in a good spot. It's a good skill and fun to play with. Other skills offer a much different experience that's more technical. Some people like me prefer such, but a lot of people just aren't very good at video games. It's only natural that a skill like Cyclone is popular, especially since it is one of the most flexible skills to build around. There's always the pure phys impale Cyclone, but since it has such a high hit rate and the channeling tag, it also sees use for Cast on Crit builds and to auto-cast spells for Necromancers, Tricksters and what-not. Cyclone is a god-given for a game like this that emphasizes build diversity and depth and you failing to understand that (and to misread statistics) is prove enough that some people just think they know shit about PoE. Quite frankly put, you don't.

5) Skellies were rightfully nerfed this season and should have been nerfed after Blight league already. They still wreck on single target, especially since the addition of a cluster jewel notable that makes impale stacking even easier for necros. The patch notes have a huge influence on player build choices as it has been acknowledged by Chris and other members of his staff before. They say they nerf a skill & even if it means it's around a 5% drop in DPS people assume the skill is dead and look for something else. Same rule applies with Skellies. Yes, people are dumb and you should know that.

6) The nature of this game is we're given new content and new possibilities every season and are consistently breaking the game ourselves as has been proven with the numerous iterations of e.g. the Wormblaster build. That's what makes this game fun. You're playing SC trade league which by no means is a competitive realm. You have entire guilds of players fund one person's build to make it to the top and countless other methods to make it obviously non-competitive. If you have the balls and stand by your sentiment, go and play SSF-HC.

I hope I got my point across this time, because it's really tiring to hear you re-iterate the same senseless bs.


1) Wrong. POE players have no life and no job

2) Why is it a starter? Because nothing else is viable

3) In reality they do suck or otherwhise I would use them

4) POE requires no skill. The reason people use it because you are still alive after lagspike or screen freeze when using Cyclone because with a skill that requires you to stand still you get hit by a million projectiles and auto attacks during lag

5) Nobody likes using skeletons they feel like shit and therefore it needs no nerf. Skellies were too weak even before the nerf. They have no HP and pretty much die in less than 2 seconds when doing high content.

6) HC is boring SSF is boring²
Its just wasting more time compared to normal gameplay.
Only kids would feel pride about playing such gamemodes in a game that requires no skill.

They constantly nerf destroying all cool builds instead of just introducing new stuff to shift the attention.
Now we are at a point were most new players can't enjoy the game because all builds feel like shit in endgame
Need more brains, exile?
Wow, to believe this person called me a daydreamer and to read that response.. big fucking yikes.

1) Your assessment is wrong and you should feel terrible for even saying that.

2) Why are those builds called league starters? Because they're tried and tested and work on low budget / without specific uniques

3) In reality you are lazy & uncreative. I have played melee builds that had much higher top-end damage, clear and survivability. You are by all means amongst the average PoE player, which has no shame aside from you wanting to stand above that crowd.

4) PoE requires no skill when you play softcore in a trade environment, yes. You haven't experienced anything beyond those boundaries. Your lack of experience is what led you to that opinion, so I don't hold that against you. Can't expect everyone to be on the same level, but at least be aware of that fact

5) "Nobody likes Skeletons" - again: you call me a daydreamer? The fuck are you on and where were you last league

6) That's as much a generalization as saying all SC players are plebs because they don't play HC. I don't hold such values and neither should you if you are even remotely self-aware. You wanted to say that YOU don't like HC and YOU don't like SSF. Don't speak for other people. My point was that IF you want a competitive environment (which, as I stated - and you haven't argued against - trade league isn't), then HC-SSF is the place to be.

7) They nerf things that need nerfing and they introduced a lot of cool shit this league already. You lack so much self-awareness that it's screaming ignorant, but maybe you are just trolling - who knows.

Tl;dr: you have as little self-awareness as you have outside world perception. Sad, but your problem.
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
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ArtCrusade wrote:
Wow, to believe this person called me a daydreamer and to read that response.. big fucking yikes.

1) Your assessment is wrong and you should feel terrible for even saying that.

2) Why are those builds called league starters? Because they're tried and tested and work on low budget / without specific uniques

3) In reality you are lazy & uncreative. I have played melee builds that had much higher top-end damage, clear and survivability. You are by all means amongst the average PoE player, which has no shame aside from you wanting to stand above that crowd.

4) PoE requires no skill when you play softcore in a trade environment, yes. You haven't experienced anything beyond those boundaries. Your lack of experience is what led you to that opinion, so I don't hold that against you. Can't expect everyone to be on the same level, but at least be aware of that fact

5) "Nobody likes Skeletons" - again: you call me a daydreamer? The fuck are you on and where were you last league

6) That's as much a generalization as saying all SC players are plebs because they don't play HC. I don't hold such values and neither should you if you are even remotely self-aware. You wanted to say that YOU don't like HC and YOU don't like SSF. Don't speak for other people. My point was that IF you want a competitive environment (which, as I stated - and you haven't argued against - trade league isn't), then HC-SSF is the place to be.

7) They nerf things that need nerfing and they introduced a lot of cool shit this league already. You lack so much self-awareness that it's screaming ignorant, but maybe you are just trolling - who knows.

Tl;dr: you have as little self-awareness as you have outside world perception. Sad, but your problem.


Are you actually trying to say something or are you just here trying to personally attack me?
What are you saying? My opinion is not valid?
Cool story
Need more brains, exile?
^ why are you here if you hate it so bad :p
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MasterTBC wrote:
Are you actually trying to say something or are you just here trying to personally attack me?
What are you saying? My opinion is not valid?
Cool story


I just revealed how lacking your knowledge and perception is. If you feel attacked by that, then that's on you. Facts don't care about your feelings. :)

If you have anything to say against my arguments, then do it. Otherwise stop making claims such as what you do on every thread you appear on. At this point I don't know how else to break it to you that you just don't know that much about the game at all and if that hurts you then I'm sorry, but that's just the facts.
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
Last edited by ArtCrusade#4438 on Mar 29, 2020, 4:26:43 PM
Two weeks in: It's still pretty spread out. Top 3 ascendancies are each at 10%, and the next 5 popular are all ranging from 7-9%.

Cyclone and handcast stormbrand are still topping the list. Deep delve is squarely the province of barrage-iceshot; people who always play a summoner no matter the league, are dipping a little more into skelepop/specs and even *gasp* SRS.

Fluidity is the name of the game but it's not at all clear that there's one go-to build (besides cheating with clusters) that does it best.

Bane/ED/cont flexcultist here.
[19:36]#Mirror_stacking_clown: try smoke ganja every day for 10 years and do memory game
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MasterTBC wrote:
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ArtCrusade wrote:
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MasterTBC wrote:
Ascendancy might be spread but skills are singular because builds have been completely replaced by ascendancy class

There is only 1 build per ascendancy now and not several builds per ascendancy


Bullshit. I debunked that shit in your thread and you still fail to respond. Stop spreading fake news & learn your shit on statistics already


You must have been daydreaming you debunked nothing.
All you said was that people are on their starter characters however most people quit the league after 2 weeks and will only play 1 character.
The 20% that remain might do other builds but they obviously aren't viable without massive currency.
A 100+ exalt build isn't even worth to think about in balancing.

Out of all the Assasin, Slayer, Champion and Berserker 65% are using Cyclone
Cyclone is 21% of the playerbase

Cyclone hasn't been buffed
Its not the flavour of the league build

Necro has 9% usage on skellies and that was nerfed for some reason
LESS THAN 1% of the playerbase are using that skill

GGG completely fucked the balance its obvious


There are a LOT of different cyclone builds. Some are actual melee, some are spellcasters, some are summoners, etc.
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Artaniz wrote:
league has the greatest variety of builds , 5 herald BV guardian - Hold my beer.


Guardian is nowhere near the top, despite that the Herald cluster jewel stacking is well known by now.

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