Hall of Grandmasters legit suggestions (not complaints!)

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rugalb666 wrote:

So you thought HOGM is a pvp map because of its content? Actually it is pvp because it makes players fight amongst themselves on forums LOL


On a serious note my only suggestion would be to make hogm a higher tier map to reflect the degree of mastery needed and not a very low tier map like now which is kind of misleading

yea it should be T14+

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rugalb666 wrote:

So you thought HOGM is a pvp map because of its content? Actually it is pvp because it makes players fight amongst themselves on forums LOL


On a serious note my only suggestion would be to make hogm a higher tier map to reflect the degree of mastery needed and not a very low tier map like now which is kind of misleading

forum pvp's all we have left

so i addimtedly did not read any of this shit as im very drunk but i tell ya that i tried hogm tonight with my bane/ed build and it feels pretty shitty that the dudes are literally immune to my dmg sometimes and there is straight up nothing i can do.

I know other builds has issues with max blocks and reflect and healing and all sorts of shit but being straight up iimune really sucks. i dont mind hard but being only able to be done with like 3 skills in the entine game is a little silly.

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kazeshi wrote:

so i addimtedly did not read any of this shit as im very drunk but i tell ya that i tried hogm tonight with my bane/ed build and it feels pretty shitty that the dudes are literally immune to my dmg sometimes and there is straight up nothing i can do.

I know other builds has issues with max blocks and reflect and healing and all sorts of shit but being straight up iimune really sucks. i dont mind hard but being only able to be done with like 3 skills in the entine game is a little silly.

wat

also, lolz @ using chaos damage vs CI characters.

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johnKeys wrote:

1) not doing HoGM and doing everything else - 158/159 and you don't get a Sextant.

Sextants are not depending on unique-maps, you only need to finish the 'core' maps they are based upon.
You seemingly haven't ever gone and properly unlocked all maps it seems.

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johnKeys wrote:

HoGM not on the Atlas - 158/158 and you get a Sextant, while still keeping the option to do HoGM as side content.
But I guess I'm not "using that brain"

It also basically destroys the whole concept you've built up completely.
It simply has no basis anymore as you're coming from a starting-point which is flawed in a major way.

If you don't finish HoGm (I never did) you'll have 158/159 AND 5/5 Sextants.
Also I never finished several of the Unique maps in general, there just is no need for it.

I stand corrected. Checked online now. Though I only ever got 4 Sextants because the 5th requires Uber Elder.
Never did notice if unique maps unlock or not, because I was going for full Atlas completion. Buying that Manor was just brutal.

However, my point still remains: HoGM is a PvP zone, which makes it stand out among all maps including unique maps, which are PvE.
Hence it should not be a map at all - because maps are PvE.
Tier 14 or tier 6 doesn't matter. Not a map.

Look at Rob trolling another player. Must have gotten bored trolling me.
"Lol CI characters".
What is a "CI character" in PvE, Rob?
What is a "character"?
Why should a player facing monsters and bosses, face "characters"?
He can, if he knows what PvP is. He can opt in. Open some special portal and face some "characters", because he wants to.
Do PvE players want to face "characters"? Most of them probably don't. So why put it in the same place as PvE content?

'everyone i don't agree with is a troll'

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What is a "CI character" in PvE, Rob?
What is a "character"?
Why should a player facing monsters and bosses, face "characters"?

...don't CHOOSE TO run the map if you don't want to face CI. it's not rocket surgery.

it's just some optional mandatory content, like you said.

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However, my point still remains:

seriously, your points were all false and BTFO. your points don't stand. they don't even exist. they never even did, they were just bs. hence, FACT > opinion

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johnKeys wrote:

However, my point still remains: HoGM is a PvP zone

Also not true, it's a PvE map, sporting character builds which are then used by a (very dumb) AI which just spams all the skill available. Still not controlled by players even if it's their builds.

It's the same as a game which allows for personal dungeon-creating. While a player has made it it's still PvE content, you against Environment.
The PvP-scaling mechanic on the other hand would be a topic for discussion, though it's actually an upside since it's not breaking the game in a major way as you don't get 1-shot by everything.

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johnKeys wrote:

What is a "CI character" in PvE, Rob?

Not Rob, but it's a mob which has the node implemented as a mod. Hence no bypassing ES before killing them, also 1 HP, also lotsa chaos-res.

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johnKeys wrote:

What is a "character"?

A named unique persona inside a game, if PC or NPC is secondary.

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johnKeys wrote:

Why should a player facing monsters and bosses, face "characters"?

You already do, all named bosses are unique and therefore 'characters'. Just not PC's.

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johnKeys wrote:

He can, if he knows what PvP is. He can opt in. Open some special portal and face some "characters", because he wants to.

Same for the unique map, ALL unique maps are purely opt-in.

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johnKeys wrote:

Do PvE players want to face "characters"? Most of them probably don't. So why put it in the same place as PvE content?

All of them do, so the reasoning behind it is already not there.

We can talk about the balance of HoGm, the concept on the other hand is sound.

It's a PvP scaled map, with player characters and skills.
You can play Quake 3 versus bots. It's not a PvE game.

While it's true bosses and monsters are "Non-player characters" in the D&D sense, especially those who have lore, speech or personality - no one will call a story zone or a map "PvP content".
And if you call unique maps opt-in, you can probably call the entire game opt-in, or the Atlas at least.

@Rob not everyone who disagrees with me is a troll. The one who trolls is a troll. Look at your posts you'll see an example.

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johnKeys wrote:

It's a PvP scaled map, with player characters and skills.
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With that logic you are playing pvp each time you face igna phoenix.

Also lucky you it s pvp scaled if not those skills would do 100 k raw damage to a 8k life player. PVP scaling just means ALL those skills used by either you or the AI won t one shot. Sure, some creators found a way to bypass the formula by using 100+ penetration and negative cast speed but that s all on GGG fault there. If you don t like the pvp formula just ask them to wake up a little and change it so players can t deal more than let s say 7- 10k ehp in one hit and cap players ES/life regen.

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Head_Less wrote:

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johnKeys wrote:

It's a PvP scaled map, with player characters and skills.
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With that logic you are playing pvp each time you face igna phoenix.

True. But I face her, and her crazy friend Xandro, in a PvE scaled zone with a bunch of monsters. Kind of like old D2 PvP if one of the PCs would be controlled by software, have Non-player HP, and wouldn't be attacked by monsters.

In Path Of Exile the PvP is arena based, and HoGM is just another arena. Like Sarn. Like the 1v1 zones and 3v3 zones.

I like PvP, a lot. Still have PvP-only characters that I have no idea how they can enter Sarn Arena, since Leo is gone.
But some people don't like PvP.
And I bet even people who do like PvP, won't expect it in a PvE content such as The Atlas, considering everything PvP in the game has it's dedicated spots.
Which is probably where most complaints about HoGM come from.