Double standards.

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thawn4444 wrote:

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plodd wrote:

I don't understand GGG's attitude on the cutthroat world of Wraeclast.

On the one hand scamming and stealing is not only tolerated but acceptable and in keeping with their game design.

On the other hand you can get banned by saying the wrong thing in chat channels.

Now we are not talking about the forum here, but in game (in Wraeclast).

In keeping with their idea of a cutthroat world surely, naming and shamming and any kind of verbal abuse etc should be acceptable as long as it is in game.

Or is it political correctness gone mad (as usual)? Where calling somebody names is more serious than stealing their belongings.

I am not saying this should be allowed, but then neither should scamming and stealing.

Does this stink of hypocrisy and double standards?

What do you think ?

I think you said something in chat that you wouldn't say in real life adult conversation and enough people reported your vulgarity that you got a time out and rather than learning from the experience you are trying to say what you said wasn't vulgar in the first place. . .

You couldn't actually be more wrong, as far as I know ive never been reported for anything.

I've never given anyone in game any reason to report me.

Your assumptions are so far from reality it makes me wonder what you based them on and your cognitive abilities in general.

I made this thread because I am annoyed by GGG's Pc attitude when it suits them and in reaction to a guild related problem. not because I have been muted, banned, reported or anything else.

Please in future keep your assumptions to yourself unless you are least the tinniest bit accurate with them.

I think GGG would be well-served with an interaction policy similar to another game that I played a few years ago, Eve Online.

They have a number of heavily-moderated channels, mainly help channels, where the off-topic nonsense is kept to a minimum as to ensure constructive use of those channels. Players and groups can form their own channels and do anything they want in there. This serves to create a useful (moderated) space to help out new players free from abuse while allowing others to form their own groups and do whatever they want in their own channels.

As for scamming, they also have a fairly hands-off view of that. Basically, as long as you aren't exploiting game mechanics (doing things outside of what is programatically intended) they are hands-off. They have had a couple of scams that literally made the news due to their scope and impact, but all were treated as being within the bounds of in-game activity. Basically, it is the player's responsibility to guard against scamming.

They also have a policy about griefing new players in the beginning/starter areas, but since the structure of PoE is quite different, this really wouldn't apply here.

IMHO, these types of policies would help preserve the "cut-throat" nature of Wraeclast without making chat interaction tedious at best and painful at worst.

I do wonder how many new players have been turned off by the crude and obnoxious nonsense that is often infesting global chat. I nearly stopped playing at a couple of points, but I do make liberal use of reporting (not that I think it actually helps), my ignore list (I have to keep clearing it out every few weeks) and, /dnd.

You keep using the terms "scam" and "steal" without definition.

Until you define those, this whole thread is simply monkeys slinging poo at each other.

If you gave a person access to your guild stash and they took items from it... that's not stealing.

If a player was given items in a trade and was expected to perform a certain act in return and didn't, that's not a scam.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

You keep using the terms "scam" and "steal" without definition.

Until you define those, this whole thread is simply monkeys slinging poo at each other.

If you gave a person access to your guild stash and they took items from it... that's not stealing.

If a player was given items in a trade and was expected to perform a certain act in return and didn't, that's not a scam.

You don't know what steal means ?

So if you leave your bike against a wall for 2 mins while you pop into a shop and its gone when you come out, that's not stealing because you gave somebody access to it ?

As far as I know stealing means taking something that dosnt belong to you without the owners permission.

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Acolina87 wrote:

Curious, what is your definition of scamming/stealing?

I'm guessing it's the same as everyone, you included; you take something that isn't yours to take. If you agree to trade 100c for 1ex and only give 10c...

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Shagsbeard wrote:

If you gave a person access to your guild stash and they took items from it... that's not stealing.

So if I invite my friend to my house and he walks out with my potato peeler in his pocket, it's not theft?

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Vresiberba wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

If you gave a person access to your guild stash and they took items from it... that's not stealing.

So if I invite my friend to my house and he walks out with my potato peeler in his pocket, it's not theft?

Luckily there are some of use left with some sort of moral integrity. Not so many these days it seems.

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Rathawk wrote:

As for scamming, they also have a fairly hands-off view of that. Basically, as long as you aren't exploiting game mechanics (doing things outside of what is programatically intended) they are hands-off. They have had a couple of scams that literally made the news due to their scope and impact, but all were treated as being within the bounds of in-game activity. Basically, it is the player's responsibility to guard against scamming.

Well, not really, but it is treated as-is simply because any alternative is completely unrealistic. GGG isn't Ebay, they do not have the resources to go over thousands upon thousands of trades gone wrong 24/7/365, it just isn't possible. That doesn't mean that GGG see scams as something acceptable, it just means that they are unable to act upon it.

This is wreaclast. No place for naive youngling. Poe players thrive by stabbing each other and using each other. Poe are not disney mmo after all, poe player bask and thrive in hate and schadenfreude. Poe simulate reality far better than disney anyway. I am pretty happy with current poe, in ssf.

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Nuhanzer wrote:

This is wreaclast. No place for naive youngling. Poe players thrive by stabbing each other and using each other. Poe are not disney mmo after all, poe player bask and thrive in hate and schadenfreude. Poe simulate reality far better than disney anyway. I am pretty happy with current poe, in ssf.

Which leads back to my original question about hypocrisy and double standards.