ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

That would work per state. Not for the whole of the US.


You are also looking at a margin of error of 5%, which is enormous (this means 10%, because it's 5% both ways).

It's like when there's a poll asking what's the opinion on trump/obama in the world, you get opinions for each countries, not all of them into one statistic. Same concept here.

I'm gonna go and assume your link for sample size is correct. The problem is the methodology.

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Xavderion wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Let's review the situation. This story about chaos in the White house has been repeated many times which you yourself proved, even carried in the conservative Wall Street Journal which you yourself proved. Yet, you call the story a false conspiracy story. You think it is a false conspiracy story based solely on the word of a known pathological liar. Then you see nothing wrong saying someone else is suffering hardcore projection for pointing out the lunacy of it all.

I never called that story a conspiracy theory. I said it's a talking point they regularly peddle when they have nothing else to talk about. The conspiracy theory is the Russian collusion hoax.

That's not the point. The point is that many different journalists have talked to different people in the administration that end up telling the same story. The story that things are chaotic. You can't believe this because you don't want to believe it for some strange reason. When I point out that you're being unreasonable you claim hardcore projection. Your beliefs are based on nothing but the the word of a pathological liar and what you want to believe.

My belief is based on the reporting of all those many news stories that you originally referenced and yet you are the one accusing me of hardcore projection!

Remember, you are the one that first posted about this as if it should be obvious that over a dozen different stories written by over a dozen different journalist in over a dozen different papers all came up with similar stories either coincidentally out of thin air or as the title of what you posted implies, they all conspired together to tell the same lie. Which do you think it is? Or, you just want to believe something and so believe it with zero thought, consideration, reflection or analysis?

I'd like to add that having a lack of trust is not the same as believing the news sources are inaccurate.

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Turtledove wrote:

Remember, you are the one that first posted about this as if it should be obvious that over a dozen different stories written by over a dozen different journalist in over a dozen different papers all came up with similar stories either coincidentally out of thin air or as the title of what you posted implies, they all conspired together to tell the same lie. Which do you think it is? Or, you just want to believe something and so believe it with zero thought, consideration, reflection or analysis?

Many of the news organizations, quote, and reference each other's articles, especially when it's headline news. A dozen different stories are really if you look into it, usually one or two headlines, citing each other with a few extra opinions by whoever is writing to make a new article.

Which is why, it's been likely to get information wrong these last few years, especially if the original source was making 'generous' assumptions on what happened before the facts come out.

It's not an impossible conspiracy if they all happen to wrong. And its not magic that dozen papers come up with similar stories. Many are copying and quoting each other, if you read the fine print for their sources.

For example, it wasn't that long ago that the Washington Post claimed that Border Patrol was responsible for 7 year old migrant, despite the father of the child, saying otherwise. And no surprise, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, all report the same wrong story.

And the list goes on. (Russian Collusion, Convington Kids, Brett Kavanaugh...)

I mean is it that far-fetched that CNN analyst Brian published a report claiming Montgomery County Investigators were looking into sexual misconduct from Brett Kavanaugh? And then later had to clarify it wasn't the police like the original articles suggested, but random independent investigators, (hired by who I wonder, lol).

Xaverian isn't talking about a crazy conspiracy theory here. It's pretty much a general set rule, if you follow the news that they get a lot of things wrong, especially on politics, where it's heavily opinionated.

Be reasonably skeptical.

Non-declared Democrat Presidential front-runner Joe "Uncle Handsy" Biden has been #metoo'ed. Our GEOTUS speaks:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-tees-2020-fight-swipes-biden-nrcc/story?id=62127390

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“We’re going into the war with some socialist. It looks like the only non, sort of, heavy socialist is being taken care of pretty well by the socialists, they got to him, our former vice president. I was going to call him, I don’t know him well, I was going to say ‘Welcome to the world Joe, you having a good time?’” the president said.

Heheheh... =^[.]^=

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Raycheetah wrote:

Non-declared Democrat Presidential front-runner Joe "Uncle Handsy" Biden has been #metoo'ed. Our GEOTUS speaks:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-tees-2020-fight-swipes-biden-nrcc/story?id=62127390

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“We’re going into the war with some socialist. It looks like the only non, sort of, heavy socialist is being taken care of pretty well by the socialists, they got to him, our former vice president. I was going to call him, I don’t know him well, I was going to say ‘Welcome to the world Joe, you having a good time?’” the president said.

Heheheh... =^[.]^=

Apparently, some people are now calling it Benevolent Sexism, lol wtf.

Benevolent Sexism by the HuffPost

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RPGlitch wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Remember, you are the one that first posted about this as if it should be obvious that over a dozen different stories written by over a dozen different journalist in over a dozen different papers all came up with similar stories either coincidentally out of thin air or as the title of what you posted implies, they all conspired together to tell the same lie. Which do you think it is? Or, you just want to believe something and so believe it with zero thought, consideration, reflection or analysis?

Many of the news organizations, quote, and reference each other's articles, especially when it's headline news. A dozen different stories are really if you look into it, usually one or two headlines, citing each other with a few extra opinions by whoever is writing to make a new article.

Which is why, it's been likely to get information wrong these last few years, especially if the original source was making 'generous' assumptions on what happened before the facts come out.

It's not an impossible conspiracy if they all happen to wrong. And its not magic that dozen papers come up with similar stories. Many are copying and quoting each other, if you read the fine print for their sources.

For example, it wasn't that long ago that the Washington Post claimed that Border Patrol was responsible for 7 year old migrant, despite the father of the child, saying otherwise. And no surprise, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, all report the same wrong story.

And the list goes on. (Russian Collusion, Convington Kids, Brett Kavanaugh...)

I mean is it that far-fetched that CNN analyst Brian published a report claiming Montgomery County Investigators were looking into sexual misconduct from Brett Kavanaugh? And then later had to clarify it wasn't the police like the original articles suggested, but random independent investigators, (hired by who I wonder, lol).

Xaverian isn't talking about a crazy conspiracy theory here. It's pretty much a general set rule, if you follow the news that they get a lot of things wrong, especially on politics, where it's heavily opinionated.

Be reasonably skeptical.

Reporting doesn't really work that way. When an article says that an article is based on unnamed sources in the administration, another journalist can't come along and write the same thing based on unnamed sources obtained by a different reporter. If they did that kind of stuff in their reporting then their editor would eventually find out and fire them.

Regarding that poor little girl, the articles I read didn't say it was definitively the fault of ICE just that she was in their custody and there might have been something they could have done differently. I didn't see the Washington Post article though.

What reporting was wrong in the Russian collusion story that you are referring to? What has been reported are facts like a bunch of Trump campaign folks had a meeting with some Russians in Trump Tower because they were promised dirt on Clinton. You guys say that Russian collusion was a hoax. Once we see the Mueller report it will much more likely say that there was insufficient evidence to prove conspiracy rather than it was all a hoax.

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faerwin wrote:

That would work per state. Not for the whole of the US.

No. The population is the entire US. You take a representative sample of that whole population. 1000 people are enough to get one.

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faerwin wrote:

You are also looking at a margin of error of 5%, which is enormous (this means 10%, because it's 5% both ways).

No, I'm looking at 3%, the industry standard. It's not enourmous by any means (that's what she said).

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faerwin wrote:

It's like when there's a poll asking what's the opinion on trump/obama in the world, you get opinions for each countries, not all of them into one statistic. Same concept here.

Yes, if your population is the entire world, you need to get samples from pretty much each country to get a representative sample of that population. Same happened here.

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faerwin wrote:

I'm gonna go and assume your link for sample size is correct. The problem is the methodology.

The methodology is fine though. What's wrong with it?

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RPGlitch wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Remember, you are the one that first posted about this as if it should be obvious that over a dozen different stories written by over a dozen different journalist in over a dozen different papers all came up with similar stories either coincidentally out of thin air or as the title of what you posted implies, they all conspired together to tell the same lie. Which do you think it is? Or, you just want to believe something and so believe it with zero thought, consideration, reflection or analysis?

Many of the news organizations, quote, and reference each other's articles, especially when it's headline news. A dozen different stories are really if you look into it, usually one or two headlines, citing each other with a few extra opinions by whoever is writing to make a new article.

Which is why, it's been likely to get information wrong these last few years, especially if the original source was making 'generous' assumptions on what happened before the facts come out.

It's not an impossible conspiracy if they all happen to wrong. And its not magic that dozen papers come up with similar stories. Many are copying and quoting each other, if you read the fine print for their sources.

For example, it wasn't that long ago that the Washington Post claimed that Border Patrol was responsible for 7 year old migrant, despite the father of the child, saying otherwise. And no surprise, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, all report the same wrong story.

And the list goes on. (Russian Collusion, Convington Kids, Brett Kavanaugh...)

I mean is it that far-fetched that CNN analyst Brian published a report claiming Montgomery County Investigators were looking into sexual misconduct from Brett Kavanaugh? And then later had to clarify it wasn't the police like the original articles suggested, but random independent investigators, (hired by who I wonder, lol).

Xaverian isn't talking about a crazy conspiracy theory here. It's pretty much a general set rule, if you follow the news that they get a lot of things wrong, especially on politics, where it's heavily opinionated.

Be reasonably skeptical.

Good post. I'd also like to add that we literally know from Wikileaks that the news sites get their talking points straight from the DNC.

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Turtledove wrote:

Reporting doesn't really work that way. When an article says that an article is based on unnamed sources in the administration, another journalist can't come along and write the same thing based on unnamed sources obtained by a different reporter. If they did that kind of stuff in their reporting then their editor would eventually find out and fire them.

I'm not sure what your basing this off of, but it happens frequently enough, for news articles to reference other news articles as sources.

For example, in the Convington Kids.

CNN, ABC, and Vox all cited the Washington Post for comments about Phillip. And claimed in their original reporting that the kids were bullying/taunting Phillip.

And CNN even edited their original article to reflect this mistake in their reporting.

Original Article (via web archive)
Teens in Make America Great Again hats taunted a Native American elder at the Lincoln Memorial

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Later article (with the edits)
Teen in confrontation with Native American elder says he was trying to defuse the situation

I'm sure 'taunted' is a lot different of a story, then 'he was trying to defuse the situation'.

Again, quite a few people are too lazy to actually read the edits, so the initial outrage on false reports goes under the radar.

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Regarding that poor little girl, the articles I read didn't say it was definitively the fault of ICE just that she was in their custody and there might have been something they could have done differently. I didn't see the Washington Post article though.

True, but who are we kidding here? A lot of news headlines heavily implied the fault of ICE in this case, when there really wasn't anything they could do. She went into shock and died. The father had nothing but good things to say about the agents attempting to save her.

I mean lets go down the headlines.

ABC News
Family of 7-year-old girl who died while in border patrol custody calls for 'thorough' investigation

NBC News
Seven-year-old girl who died at border did not receive medical care for 90 minutes

AP News
7-year-old immigrant girl dies after Border Patrol arrest

CNN
7-year-old Guatemalan girl died in Border Patrol custody

Also, note that the Washington Post is an acting source in many of these news articles about how the girl died.

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What reporting was wrong in the Russian collusion story that you are referring to? What has been reported are facts like a bunch of Trump campaign folks had a meeting with some Russians in Trump Tower because they were promised dirt on Clinton. You guys say that Russian collusion was a hoax. Once we see the Mueller report it will much more likely say that there was insufficient evidence to prove conspiracy rather than it was all a hoax.

What has been wrong is that most if not all of the reporting has been speculation on what could or might have happened behind closed doors. The implications that there was always something there, despite there being little collaborating evidence for that being the case.

And this is old news. Lisa Page, the FBI Investigator who did the anti-trump texts, already claimed 9 months into the investigation, that there wasn't any evidence of collusion. And with the Mueller Report submitted. We now know that there wasn't even enough evidence for any indictments.

I mean at this point, what leg do you have to stand on here? Are you going to literally sink on a ship floating with lies left and right about things that didn't happen like Trump being a Russian Puppet?

If the news repeats a headline enough times, do people just get mind controlled into brain-dead zombies?

Rachel Maddow's compilation of Russia in one episode is enough to make a Catholic Priest blush, with indoctrination.

Rachel Maddow: All Russia. All The Time.