ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP
" Oh dear. Luckily, I had already posted regarding this. I'll just post it again, people ran away in horror last time back to r/The_Donald and their echo chambers. I recommend this paper Becerra, D., Androff, D. K., Ayon, C., & Castillo, J. T. (2012). Fear vs. facts: Examining the economic impact of undocumented immigrants in the US. J. Soc. & Soc. Welfare, 39, 111. https://scholarworks.wmich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3696&context=jssw#page=111 Undocumented immigrants and Crime
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" Previous studies have found that violent and non-violent crime rates among undocumented immigrants decreased during the late-1990s and mid-2000s (Bailey & Hayes, 2006; Butcher & Piehl, 2007; Nadler, 2008; Rumbaut & Ewing, 2007). According to Rumbaut and Ewing (2007), even as the number of undocumented immigrants in the United States doubled during the late 1990s, the rates of violent and property crimes decreased 34% and 26%, respectively. Using data from the annual Federal Bureau of Investigation Unified Crime Reports, Nadler (2008) compared the differences in total crime rates between High Immigrant Jurisdictions (HIJs) (defined as the 19 states with the most resident immigrants) whose resident populations include the highest proportion of immigrants and highest percentage influx of immigrants, and non-HIJs in the United States between 1999 and 2006. The study found that the total crime rates decreased by a little more than 10% across the nation (3808.1 per 100,000 residents in 2006 versus 4273.8 per 100,000 residents in 1999). Crime, both violent and non-violent, decreased at a faster rate in the 19 HIJs than in the non-HIJs. In 2006, the total crime rate in HIJs was lower than non-HIJs (3807.1 per 100,000 residents versus 3809.4 per 100,000 residents). Finally, the total crimes rate decreased from between 7 to 15 percent across all of the jurisdictions between 1999 and 2006. When examining the incarceration rate of undocumented immigrants, researchers found that the rate is lower than that for native-born citizens (Bailey & Hayes, 2006; Butcher & Piehl, 2007; Rumbaut & Ewing, 2007). Furthermore, there is evidence that immigration does not increase crime rates and actually reduces crime rates in urban areas (Reid, Weiss, Adelm) Healthcare
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" Although there are costs associated with health care provision to undocumented immigrants, due to their lower rates of use of health care services, these expenditures account for only 1.5% of U.S. medical costs (Okie, 2007) and the estimated tax burden per household was only $11 per year for providing health care to undocumented immigrants (Goldman, Smith, & Sood, 2006). While some may argue that no tax dollars should go toward providing services to a population who many believe should not even be in the U.S., the $11 annual per household tax burden is not the overwhelming financial burden that the media and many politicians claim. Economic benefits
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" There are economic costs and benefits of having undocumented immigrants and their children living in the United States. The CBO reported that on a federal level, revenues generated by undocumented immigrants are greater than the expense of providing services because undocumented immigrants do not qualify for federal programs (CBO, 2007). In addition to the additional revenue generated through taxes, undocumented immigrants contribute to the U.S. economy in other ways. The financial solvency of the Social Security and Medicare programs in the U.S. relies on payroll tax revenue (Segal, 2010). Despite the public discourse to the contrary, the majority of undocumented immigrants pay income taxes through the use of Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs) or through false Social Security numbers (National Council of La Raza [NCLR], 2008; U.S. Chamber of Commerce, n.d.). As a result, undocumented immigrants contribute over $7 billion annually to Social Security and over $1.5 billion to Medicare (NCLR, 2008). Although some undocumented immigrants receive Social Security and Medicare benefits, the majority do not receive any benefits from those programs (NCLR, 2008; Sommers, 2010). Since false Social Security numbers are not appropriately linked to an individual who can take advantage of Social Security benefits, the majority of contributions to Social Security from undocumented immigrants go into an earnings suspense file. The Social Security Administration factors in the over $7 billion annual contributions from undocumented immigrants into the Social Security Administration's calculations and projections for the solvency of Social Security (Porter, 2005; U.S. Chamber of Commerce, n.d.). The retirement of the baby boom generation will lead to increased expenditures for Social Security (Abel, 2003) and additional tax revenue is needed to provide Social Security benefits to current and future retirees. Since undocumented immigrants are ineligible to receive government services, it is estimated that undocumented immigrants pay an average of $1,800 per household, per year more to Social Security and Medicare than they utilize in services (Camarota, 2004). Therefore, undocumented immigrants actually contribute to the solvency of Social Security and Medicare and help to provide services to current and future retirees. | |
" Let's not be naive here, and think it has nothing to do with the subject matter, hmmm? | |
" It doesn't, and if you actually lived in the southern half of the United States, you would know this. But considering this thread is like 90% non-americans being know-it-alls on everything, I digress. Just a thread full of people from who knows where, participating in their own little echo chamber, patting each other on the back and shit-talking Americans. Really nothing to see here. Back to GD I go. |
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" Sure sure. That's why there is an murican quoting 4chan, r/The_Donald, and now Stormfront. I'm sure he is just pretending to be a white supremacist. After all, both sides, perpetrator and victim, are to blame. Sure, sure. Edit: By the way this whole line of thinking - immigrants are scum, but not white ones - has been started by Trump. Remember when there was a humanitarian crisis in the Caribbean? He lashed out at those 'shithole' countries and said why doesn't Murica get Norwegian immigrants? That was comical. The Norwegians, having a much higher standard of living were like, ummmm, nope. No ty. Keep your Big Macs. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-norway/thanks-but-no-thanks-norwegians-reject-trumps-immigration-offer-idUSKBN1F11QK Last edited by rojimboo on Jan 17, 2019, 3:07:44 AM
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" Actually, I remember we had this conversation last time, so once again I explain that most of us are shit-talking the Trump administration, not the american people. I should hope there is still a difference. | |
" They still dig tunnels "In December 2012, a tunnel 3 feet in diameter and 100 yards long, with electricity and ventilation, was found near the Nogales, Arizona, port of entry. Since 1990, there have been almost 170 tunnels found leading into Mexico, mostly in Arizona and California." Build of the week #9 - Breaking your face with style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_EcQDOUN9Y
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the 6.5 billions is only to start the work of the wall. The estimates are around 25b for the whole thing. not counting maintenance.
Build of the week #9 - Breaking your face with style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_EcQDOUN9Y
IGN: Poltun | |
" I wouldn't say that. Racists want to wall for sure, but I'm willing to bet a lot of those that want it are misguided and fooled by the real effectiveness of a wall. Build of the week #9 - Breaking your face with style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_EcQDOUN9Y
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Wasn't sure where to ask, so I'll do it here xd
Any interest in some other countries political topics? like say "Brexit and the EU"? All this Trump talking leaves one exhausted. | |
" Well ignore this thread and make a thread called something like "Euro-politiks discussion" The problem you may have is Americans generally are not that interested in foreign politics, not nearly as much as foreigners are interested in USA politics, at least. The British royal family being the one exception. Americans are obsessed with the British royal family, for some reason I dont quite grasp. |
