[3.0] VP DP OP - Dark Pact Berserker - New Minotaur Facetank Video

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Zboublemeteor wrote:
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Please see my reply to the person who posted immediately after you. Obviously getting 3.5M DPS and 8.5K life is not budget friendly, but you don't need mirror-worthy gear, kaom's heart or atziri's acuity for this build to be effective, and advertised numbers trend toward caps. Most people seem to realize that.

As far as not relying on PoB, I take it you didn't use PoB to make your build?


it's still false advertising in my book, but no need to discuss this anymore.

On PoB topic, the important part of my sentence was the "too mutch", since your rely on stats you won't even get close to. Of course i used PoB for my build, and speaking of it, i've also posted both my theoretical build and the one i currently have, you'll see there is quite a difference even if i use non OP stat for life rolls and level 91 on the theoretical one.

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I will keep this in mind when I get to that content if I feel unsafe. However, I suspect it won't be an issue. Even without diamond flask charges, we cast 7.5 spells a second and crit 3 out of every 4 casts (I believe crit is normalized like to-hit, and not truly random, so we don't even get a bunch of unlucky non-crits in a row in unusual circumstances). And I can use these numbers as a reasonable approximation because if you're at the point where you're considering acuity, you have the currency to make your previous complaints about expensive gear irrelevant. If you're trying to be budget, you'll have VP like you want.


keep in mind that spell echo roll crits only once for two cast. you'll see if it's okay since you're casting pretty fast it should be fine. i used acuity in 2.6 with a 4+ APS build and it did not felt safe sometimes and unlucky streak happened. but still, vaal pact is such a god keystone, it's just 3 points away and you'll save 22 ex and get yourself fingerless gloves loathing essence crafted gloves with double T1 life rolls for 1/5 of the price.

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You barely need the one health potion. Every hit gets you to full. Maybe 4 activations of Lav's isn't enough for really long bosses, but I'm not there yet so I don't know. I'll look into it.


it's safer against guardians and shaper degen bubbles, shit happens.


I am willing to rethink my choices if they feel worse than I expect when I have the money to test them. But I'm expecting the instant mana leech on acuity to more than make up for the few hits that aren't instant.

I haven't fought shaper yet, but same thing with flasks. Also flasks are really flexible. All you really need is Lav's, a way to deal with freeze/chill, a way to deal with bleed, and a way to deal with curses. if you want to drop some flask to get more health flasks it doesn't destroy the build.
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ekim43 wrote:
I'm having a little trouble with bosses with no adds. I find myself running around in circles, then casting dark pact once or twice, then running around to regain health, rinse and repeating for a long ass time. Are you supposed to just facetank bosses? What am I doing wrong?

Thanks for the guide!


It sounds like you don't have Vaal Pact or Cloaked in Savagery yet. I recommend using another main skill to level/clear cruel lab and switch to Dark Pact when you have both of these passives.

You should check out the Leveling section, it has a lot of good advice for making your way to level 70 or so.


This worked! thank you... I was confused because the final build doesn't include it, but it did before. I see that Vaal Pact is removed after getting Atziri.
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ekim43 wrote:
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ekim43 wrote:
I'm having a little trouble with bosses with no adds. I find myself running around in circles, then casting dark pact once or twice, then running around to regain health, rinse and repeating for a long ass time. Are you supposed to just facetank bosses? What am I doing wrong?

Thanks for the guide!


It sounds like you don't have Vaal Pact or Cloaked in Savagery yet. I recommend using another main skill to level/clear cruel lab and switch to Dark Pact when you have both of these passives.

You should check out the Leveling section, it has a lot of good advice for making your way to level 70 or so.


This worked! thank you... I was confused because the final build doesn't include it, but it did before. I see that Vaal Pact is removed after getting Atziri.


It seems like enough people are confused about this that I should add a note.
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H4RM4G3DD0N wrote:
I have quite a few problems with your pastebin. It's very misleading. First off, youve set the level to 100. Not many people reach 94+ in temp leagues aside from the very active, hardcore players. Youve filled all of your gear slots with GG items that cost at least 5 ex a piece on our current league, which is also unrealistic to most players. All these unrealistic items/levels/point investments (anything over 114 is pushing it) show a false amount of DPS and Life to the average player, its just a flashy tactic to draw people in to your forum post, when in all reality this build is much weaker and squishier with REALISTIC gear. Perhaps you should be more honest with the people reading your guide, and make a pastebin link for average gear, and an obtainable level for the average player (85-90). Everything about this build is advertised as broken/overpowered, but its a front.


I looked around the forums and this is how people advertise their builds. I'm not doing anything out of the ordinary. Anyone knows the advertised dps and defenses are the absolute upper limits of the build.

And I don't even think that's a bad thing. If you don't have an objective Schelling point like this, there is no comparing builds. What if one build maker thinks 10c gear is "reasonable" and another thinks 50c gear is reasonable? Then the 10c gear person is at a disadvantage in getting his build noticed. He may realize this and set his threshold to 60c. Someone else comes along, raises the prices slightly. Eventually builds will trend toward advertising based on the highest possible numbers, just like they do now. This is simple economics.

And I didn't even do anything super crazy like another DP build did. Some other guy leveled all his gems to 21 in PoB and got an extra 2M DPS out of it.



I don't think a lot of people advertise GG gear as a budget or a starter build. Remove these, and you'll not be doing anything out of the ordinary IMO.
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eetop wrote:
I don't think a lot of people advertise GG gear as a budget or a starter build. Remove these, and you'll not be doing anything out of the ordinary IMO.


This is a guide for a build that performs very well with 30c worth of gear. It is also a guide that tells you what to do with your money if you have some.

With respect, no, I will not remove my recommendations for gear.
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eetop wrote:
I don't think a lot of people advertise GG gear as a budget or a starter build. Remove these, and you'll not be doing anything out of the ordinary IMO.


This is a guide for a build that performs very well with 30c worth of gear. It is also a guide that tells you what to do with your money if you have some.

With respect, no, I will not remove my recommendations for gear.


I'm not saying remove your recommendations, I'm saying remove budget & starter friendly in your title, or add budget version and endgame version separately in your post. One idea is to post which mods to focus on in a, say ring than just recommending some expensive gear and say it is budget friendly. Not everyone is experienced with PoE and it could confuse the new players especially with your title and PoB gear.

It is true that it performs well with 30c worth of gear, but I don't really see the 30c options here.
Last edited by eetop on Aug 14, 2017, 11:23:11 PM
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eetop wrote:
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eetop wrote:
I don't think a lot of people advertise GG gear as a budget or a starter build. Remove these, and you'll not be doing anything out of the ordinary IMO.


This is a guide for a build that performs very well with 30c worth of gear. It is also a guide that tells you what to do with your money if you have some.

With respect, no, I will not remove my recommendations for gear.


I'm not saying remove your recommendations, I'm saying remove budget & starter friendly in your title, or add budget version and endgame version separately in your post. Not everyone is experienced with PoE and it could confuse the new players especially with your title and PoB gear.

It is true that it performs well with 30c worth of gear, but I don't really see the 30c options here.


I don't want to maintain 2 threads for the same build. I have added a disclaimer at the top of the post. Hopefully this suffices?
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eetop wrote:
I'm not saying remove your recommendations, I'm saying remove budget & starter friendly in your title, or add budget version and endgame version separately in your post. One idea is to post which mods to focus on in a, say ring than just recommending some expensive gear and say it is budget friendly. Not everyone is experienced with PoE and it could confuse the new players especially with your title and PoB gear.

It is true that it performs well with 30c worth of gear, but I don't really see the 30c options here.


Okay, I have also added a PoB link to my current, ~80C gear, level 86 character. Is this better?
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eetop wrote:
I'm not saying remove your recommendations, I'm saying remove budget & starter friendly in your title, or add budget version and endgame version separately in your post. One idea is to post which mods to focus on in a, say ring than just recommending some expensive gear and say it is budget friendly. Not everyone is experienced with PoE and it could confuse the new players especially with your title and PoB gear.

It is true that it performs well with 30c worth of gear, but I don't really see the 30c options here.


Okay, I have also added a PoB link to my current, ~80C gear, level 86 character. Is this better?


People were giving suggestions and you wrote it as "complaining", awesome. I'm assuming you may be around 12 years old, to take suggestions so personally. Anyway, that's a start. Good luck with your build posting journey.
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eetop wrote:
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eetop wrote:
I'm not saying remove your recommendations, I'm saying remove budget & starter friendly in your title, or add budget version and endgame version separately in your post. One idea is to post which mods to focus on in a, say ring than just recommending some expensive gear and say it is budget friendly. Not everyone is experienced with PoE and it could confuse the new players especially with your title and PoB gear.

It is true that it performs well with 30c worth of gear, but I don't really see the 30c options here.


Okay, I have also added a PoB link to my current, ~80C gear, level 86 character. Is this better?


People were giving suggestions and you wrote it as "complaining", awesome. I'm assuming you may be around 12 years old, to take suggestions so personally. Anyway, that's a start. Good luck with your build posting journey.


Please stay civil. Accusing me of false advertising is not a suggestion, it is a complaint. Calling me a child is not appropriate, in any case.
Last edited by Enblighten on Aug 14, 2017, 11:54:33 PM

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