Donald Trump and US politics

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morbo wrote:

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TheAnuhart wrote:

If your training is to be trigger happy and for other reasons blacks are disproportionately pulled over, stopped, apprehended, then the result is a disproportionate number of blacks shot. This is the case without a racist bone in your body.

Blacks also commit disproportionately more crime, thus the "disproportionality" of them being shot. The police goes where the crime is, because it's a waste of resources patroling low crime areas and pulling over housewives.

Fix the thuggish culture, make their streets safe, create a productive environment, which will in turn create jobs and bring people out of poverty.

This is basically the correlation of poverty and crime and the correlation of blacks and poverty.

I agree, fixing the poverty is the answer.

Thing is, tho, a successful black is more likely to be pulled over and shot in a predominantly white and not poor area. So even getting out of the ghetto is a risk in itself.


Why are blacks prosecuted and locked up for drug possession when the use and possession is equal among whites and blacks?

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TheAnuhart wrote:

Why are blacks prosecuted and locked up for drug possession when the use and possession is equal among whites and blacks?

Because the police is more heavily patrolling black areas, expecting more crime there. And/or because the police has a bias vs blacks, expecting them to be more likely drug dealers, not just users. (I'm guessing)

IMO, it all comes back to statistics where blacks commit disproportionately more heavy crime, like murders, robberies, hard drug dealings.. per capita. This can be called "racism" for political purposes, but it is just a bias that has roots in reality. It wouldn't matter which culture was more statistically "criminal" - the one with the worst results would be viewed with more suspicion.

Like I said, the police goes where the crime is supposed to be.

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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morbo wrote:

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TheAnuhart wrote:

If your training is to be trigger happy and for other reasons blacks are disproportionately pulled over, stopped, apprehended, then the result is a disproportionate number of blacks shot. This is the case without a racist bone in your body.

Blacks also commit disproportionately more crime, thus the "disproportionality" of them being shot. The police goes where the crime is, because it's a waste of resources patroling low crime areas and pulling over housewives.

Fix the thuggish culture, make their streets safe, create a productive environment, which will in turn create jobs and bring people out of poverty.

This is basically the correlation of poverty and crime and the correlation of blacks and poverty.

I agree, fixing the poverty is the answer.

Thing is, tho, a successful black is more likely to be pulled over and shot in a predominantly white and not poor area. So even getting out of the ghetto is a risk in itself.


Why are blacks prosecuted and locked up for drug possession when the use and possession is equal among whites and blacks?

How do you solve poverty? If it is a question of scarcity, it is a competition for limited resources. When you don't have enough to go around, if someone get more, someone will inevitably get less. Competition rear its ugly head, Survival of the fittest in social-economic term.

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diablofdb wrote:

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morbo wrote:

Or try to do what BLM activists propose: remove the police entirely and see black neighboorhoods taken over by gangs. As long as blacks are killed by other blacks in gang warfare, TYT probably won't care.

AKA a recipe for disaster. I think we should do it and let them do their thing. Sometime people need to burn themselve to learn.

It would be disastrous for the black communities. Law abiding citizens already know what is the problem (so there is no lesson to be learned) and those inclined to crime would welcome such move. Such a move would only hurt good people.

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deathflower wrote:

How do you solve poverty?

On what level?

On a national level certainly not by importing millions of poor foreign people, because they can be paid a few dollars less per hour, than the native poor people.

On global level - contraception is the best tool to fight poverty.

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morbo wrote:

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TheAnuhart wrote:

Why are blacks prosecuted and locked up for drug possession when the use and possession is equal among whites and blacks?

Because the police is more heavily patrolling black areas, expecting more crime there. And/or because the police has a bias vs blacks, expecting them to be more likely drug dealers, not just users. (I'm guessing)

IMO, it all comes back to statistics where blacks commit disproportionately more heavy crime, like murders, robberies, hard drug dealings.. per capita. This can be called "racism" for political purposes, but it is just a bias that has roots in reality. It wouldn't matter which culture was more statistically "criminal" - the one with the worst results would be viewed with more suspicion.

Like I said, the police goes where the crime is supposed to be.

Right, so it has nothing to do with the colour of the skin. But has everything to do with how white people treated people with that colour skin.

It was only 60 years ago that blacks were openly persecuted and made to live in separate neighbourhoods in many areas. That takes a long time to repair.

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morbo wrote:

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deathflower wrote:

How do you solve poverty?

On what level?

On a national level certainly not by importing millions of poor foreign people, because they can be paid a few dollars less per hour, than the native poor people.

Or stop giving tax cuts to the rich, get money out of politics and have a government that's there for the people not the oligarchs.

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TheAnuhart wrote:

It was only 60 years ago that blacks were openly persecuted and made to live in separate neighbourhoods in many areas. That takes a long time to repair.

I'd like to see what were the crime rates among various groups back then and when it all went to shit for the black community.

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TheAnuhart wrote:

Or stop giving tax cuts to the rich, get money out of politics and have a government that's there for the people not the oligarchs.

I absolutely agree with getting money out of politics, but none of this actually improves poverty.

* tax cuts and deregulations can be beneficial to employment rates
* overtaxing business can have the opposite effect (business leaving your state/country)
* simply giving people cash on hand has never solved poverty or make people more smart with money (socialism never worked for long)
* the government is an extremely lousy businessman and should have no dealings in business. The government can be "there for the people" simply by not trying to suck dry every startup business, as fast as possible and by not squandering money for bullshit projects (eg: wars).

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morbo wrote:

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deathflower wrote:

How do you solve poverty?

On what level?

On a national level certainly not by importing millions of poor foreign people, because they can be paid a few dollars less per hour, than the native poor people.

On global level - contraception is the best tool to fight poverty.

Technically not. Reducing the number of people , reduce your workforce, reducing productivity, reducing your available goods. It doesn't increase your resources but rather change the distribution. If Wealth is the abundant of resources, the abundant of resources is often not a result from its locality. The wealth of a region accumulate in towns and cities. Wealth is the accumulation from its social-economical system.

About cops, I think that there is some racism going around, but since this is too controversial then why don't people try to solve the next biggest problem, like their lack of training?

For real, why don't they receive training on how to deal with mentally ill? Or even kids...

If there is extreme vetting to enter the country, why not extreme vetting to carry a gun and a badge around?

And talking about cops, I just saw this:

http://www.vox.com/identities/2016/1/11/10749266/school-to-prison-pipeline-video

Edit: Oh, and if you guys see me making some grammar mistakes I don't mind being made fun of, after all I'd like to better my English and every little help is very welcome.

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soneka101 wrote:

If there is extreme vetting to enter the country, why not extreme vetting to carry a gun and a badge around?

The solution is always simple: only hire the best. That means raising salaries to attract the best, shelling out for the best training, and aggressively firing less than the best.

The reality is that we already don't have enough cops for as many people as we have, cops have lost most of their social trust*, and nobody wants to give more money to them.