Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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Turtledove wrote:

The amount of traps does change the gameplay style. At the point where the focus switches from killing monsters to avoiding traps is when the gameplay style switches, at least for me and many others. If not for you then fine but that is the way it works for many others. When in the Labyrinth there are screens full of traps then the focus switches to avoiding traps, at that point in time then the genre of the gameplay style switches from arpg games to be more like Frogger or Mario.

Exactly that. Too hard to understand though.

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Albinosaurus wrote:

I've been gaming the better part of 30 years. When I make the comparison to Frogger, it's because it's just like fucking Frogger. My two best friends and my cousin have all been gaming nearly as long as I have, and they said the same thing. I've played every major genre across every major console and PC since the late 80's. Just because you don't like the comparison, doesn't mean it isn't valid, and all you have done is slung personal attacks against strangers--trying to attack the credibility of people you know nothing about.

Guess what? It only makes you look like the ignorant one, because that's all you have displayed.

"Ive played frogger i swear!"

"Oh let me be ignorant and ignore the fact that you have one life while crossing and if you get touched by anything you die!" - Literally you.

Do you die instantly in labyrinth if you get touched by spikes, saws, etc ? No, you dont. See how retarded your comparison is ?

Youre basically saying "oh wow, you have to cross an area, thats FROGGER!" anything in your mind is frogger at this point.

Also, lol'd. "Highly experienced gamer" complaining about trivialities. top lols.

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Xtorma wrote:

So let me see if I understand this correctly. An arpg can have traps, but it can't be all about traps. So if an arpg becomes more about traps then it becomes about killing monsters, Then it becomes another genre, and can no longer be called an arpg?

It's the perceived focus that matters (in my opinion of course). If players have the feeling the content is more focused around traps then killing stuff, then the traps are the defining feature of the lab and aRPG never had a focus on traps. If, however, players feel like killing stuff is the primary focus of the lab, then this is the defining feature of the lab. Since there are dozens of threads complaing about the traps for several reasons, it is safe to say that for many players, the traps are the defining feature. They dont perceive the lab as an aRPG and more like a "plattformer"-game within poe.

So my personal conclusion is: Some players have the skills to easily rush through the lab. They dont perceive the traps as big hindrances and therefore dont care much for them. But it's still entertaining enough for them. Those players will usually dont perceive the trap-focus I have mentioned above. But those who dont like the traps - either because they lack the skill or because they find it boring - do perceive that trap-focus. In the end that means, for some this feels like classic poe with some traps, for others this feels like a completely different game/genre. And this could be the reason why it is so hard for lab-lovers to understand lab-haters: They perceive the lab in a completely different way.

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Melissa_GGG wrote:

Hey all,

It seems like the discussion is moving down a less desirable path, it appears that everyone's opinions are different from one another, and each side has shared their view points with clarity several times.

However, please refrain from targeting one another and please go back to the topic at hand in which OP has originally expressed.

Can we get a new subforum called Labyrinth Feedback just like for Awakening Beta Invites? It's hard to keep track of the 200 other threads I might like to peruse

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Melissa_GGG wrote:

Hey all,

It seems like the discussion is moving down a less desirable path, it appears that everyone's opinions are different from one another, and each side has shared their view points with clarity several times.

However, please refrain from targeting one another and please go back to the topic at hand in which OP has originally expressed.

The topic goes no where every single time Melissa, thats the thing. Theyre intentionally going full circle in arguing.

There isnt any progression with the argument when one side has zero intentions of changing their views or even addressing facts of the matter.

Its a trend of every single labyrinth thread.

Original Arguement > Counter Argument > Argues Original Argument > Counter Argument again > Bait reactions > Hope for anyone defending labyrinth to get probated

Its a never ending cycle which is why people in labyrinth threads actual intention is nothing more than trying to get a rise out of people to probate them. Then after that happens they just go and on and say "hah, probated, i won the argument!"

Also, i agree with what drake said, please make a separate thread for them to post in because legitimately good complaints are getting filtered out because of this labyrinth spam.

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

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Melissa_GGG wrote:

Hey all,

It seems like the discussion is moving down a less desirable path, it appears that everyone's opinions are different from one another, and each side has shared their view points with clarity several times.

However, please refrain from targeting one another and please go back to the topic at hand in which OP has originally expressed.

The topic goes no where every single time Melissa, thats the thing. Theyre intentionally going full circle in arguing.

There isnt any progression with the argument when one side has zero intentions of changing their views or even addressing facts of the matter.

Its a trend of every single labyrinth thread.

Original Arguement > Counter Argument > Argues Original Argument > Counter Argument again > Bait reactions > Hope for anyone defending labyrinth to get probated

Its a never ending cycle which is why people in labyrinth threads actual intention is nothing more than trying to get a rise out of people to probate them. Then after that happens they just go and on and say "hah, probated, i won the argument!"

Also, i agree with what drake said, please make a separate thread for them to post in because legitimately good complaints are getting filtered out because of this labyrinth spam.

Tin, could you just stop here please? You didn't help at all keeping the discussion polite in the past few pages and now you're making it look like the lab-haters are the ones who have no arguments, circle around and use bait-tactics to get lab-defender on probation, while the same can be said about the lab-defenders. Just go 2 pages back and look at the animated memes you have posted, without any content in that post at all. Don't you think that's kinda provoking? You are part of your above mentioned problems without knowing it, I guess.

Both sides have extreme people who use the same arguments and counter-arguments over and over again. Both sides kinda circle around in this discussion and both sides also had (good) arguments why lab (or the way how to get AC points) should change or not change. Both sides explained why they personally like or dont like the lab. And I dont think that it is useless to discuss this topic anymore, because I see new arguments like everyday between all the troll posts. Just becuase there's more quantity then quality right now doesnt mean quality posts do not come up from time to time.

That said, Melissa kinda told you the rest: GGG is reading this and they want this discussion. If it will change something in the end is a different matter, but at least it's not a wasted effort like you try to make it look like.

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Melissa_GGG wrote:

We do ask players to add to the discussion if the there is already an existing thread catering to their opinions.

Please don’t take our silence for inattention, and please do post more to share your thoughts (without attacking each other).

@ACE - Theyre asking you to keep it to one thread, not spam as many threads as humanly possible.

And it doesnt help your case when people like Regulator are literally going around telling people to spam create them either.

They recently locked a handful last time and told people already to keep it to the existing threads but you guys are completely ignoring the moderators and doing it anyways.

Proof of being told to do so below, im pretty sure there are other examples but these two were easily accessible because theyre fairly new.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1702171/page/2

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1702859

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Melissa_GGG wrote:

...Please don’t take our silence for inattention...

Can you at least tell us which side is winning the argument? lol :)