It's time for preleveled/preascended characters to enter the shop or be made available somehow.

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Albinosaurus wrote:

So because I got bored of leveling (and prophecy in general), you think that somehow discounts what I said? It proves it. And even if I had 0 characters, it wouldn't change a thing. That's a simple ad hominem attack: Trying to target me instead of the argument. Nice try, but nobody buys that bullshit these days.

@Prisus
Most of that post is just nonsense, but it seriously would take no real effort to just have an NPC for Lvl 60 start characters who let you pick which reward you want for the first two difficulties. They can use the same interface they do for quest rewards: http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Book_of_Reform_(Oak)

Your argument relies on exaggerating things to the point of idiocy.

@Goetzjam
What do you consider end game? Why should it matter to you what I do with my characters? I've stated repeatedly that the draw for this game, for me, is build diversity--experimenting with different mechanics, character concepts, and item/gem interactions. I honestly have no interest in Atziri. Never have. Maps are a general enough environment for me to test these various builds in, but you're surprised that I got bored of leveling them so that I could try it? Lab is a terrible experience on any difficulty, so level really has nothing to do with that.

What do you think you're trying to prove here?

LOL the problem is that you want to "experiment with different builds"...but you never even complete a build to experiment with it?

You're trying to eat a sandwich without bread.

To be fair you are trivializing code changes that you know nothing about. Typically anytime a player starts a sentence with "all they have to do is"...there is some serious ignorance about the development process.. ANYWAY...I digress.

I can tell you this.. You aren't "trying builds"... in fact, you are neutering yourself because you stop playing right where you actually would give your build a fair shot of being good.

Stopping mid-50s is actually the WORST place you can stop.

"I've stated repeatedly that the draw for this game, for me, is build diversity--experimenting with different mechanics, character concepts, and item/gem interactions."

How can you even tell if a build you have created is effective if you don't try it in merciless level content? How can you say you enjoy "experimenting" when you are trying to buy pre-leveled characters where there is no experimentation?

You got bored of leveling 20 characters? There is medicine that may help make you less "bored" every couple of hours.

fuck it man...good luck with this crusade. It's never going to happen so fighting with you also gets us both nowhere.

Final words: I disagree with everything stated in this thread. Selling pre-leveled characters is absolutely the worse thing GGG could ever do in this game. Especially for the hardcore player base where players at high-levels die all of the time (effectively making hardcore players feel as if they HAVE to buy characters or they would be wasting time).

You are only proving my point: Pre 60 content is so fucking boring that there's no desire to do it.

Besides that, looking at someone's character list is a fruitless endeavor, because it doesn't show all the characters they have deleted over the years. In my case, hundreds of them, because I usually don't keep (let alone play) Standard characters. It's not like you get that many character slots.

Funny how you try to dismiss the bandit solution just because it would actually be easy to implement. They don't even have to create any new resources other than the NPC who gives you the book. You think that's too hard for GGG? And that makes me the ignorant one?

Your opinions have no basis in reason or fact. They are comprised entirely of an emotional response to a suggestion you don't like, that wouldn't affect you at all, and defended only by bias. Get lost, kid.

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Albinosaurus wrote:

You are only proving my point: Pre 60 content is so fucking boring that there's no desire to do it.

Besides that, looking at someone's character list is a fruitless endeavor, because it doesn't show all the characters they have deleted over the years. In my case, hundreds of them, because I usually don't keep (let alone play) Standard characters. It's not like you get that many character slots.

Funny how you try to dismiss the bandit solution just because it would actually be easy to implement. They don't even have to create any new resources other than the NPC who gives you the book. You think that's too hard for GGG? And that makes me the ignorant one?

Your opinions have no basis in reason or fact. They are comprised entirely of an emotional response to a suggestion you don't like, that wouldn't affect you at all, and defended only by bias. Get lost, kid.

I'm not dismissing your bandit solution because it would be easy to implement. On the contrary, i believe you are underestimating the effort lol. But you can't see past your own nose so it doesn't matter. Every league is plagued with bugs by adding "simple functionality". You're kidding yourself if you think adding any new functionality around this mashed up code framework is "easy to implement".

Your opinions have no reason or fact either so there is at least that one thing we have in common. I am not defending by bias. You are being short-sited in your request because you are looking at your own personal benefits. ONLY YOU. You are walking into a sit-down, single-plate serving restaurant and demanding a buffet. So since you are asking for an unreasonable request, it is up to you to defend it.

So you've solved bandit rewards? Awesome. So explain this to me: How does buying characters effect the hardcore market? Is this a softcore only feature? If it is softcore only how would it make hardcore players that want this option feel? It's okay for both? So explain to me how players that play hardcore ladder feel if players could buy the first 50% of their progression every time they died?

Pls solve the hardcore player conundrum as well. Then once you give me some half-assed solution, I'll gladly poke holes through that for you as well.

I understand that not everyone can be a "big picture" thinker. I don't hold it against you. However, to call me bias and call yourself completely fair for not seeing other side effects of a selfish request is completely and utterly stupid.

So I'll ask again:

1) How does your suggestion affect the hardcore player base and market?
2) How does your suggestion affect the economy? Do you believe that your suggestion has no effect on the in-game economy?

Great job on the "easy" solution for bandit rewards. Pls provide simple answers to my questions above as well pls. Your linear thought process is extremely entertaining.

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How does buying characters effect the hardcore market? Is this a softcore only feature?

Now you're guilty of the same shit as Goetzjam; you don't even know what we are discussing, yet want to shoot it down.

Why should I care what you have to say when you won't even make the effort to know what the conversation is?

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Albinosaurus wrote:

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How does buying characters effect the hardcore market? Is this a softcore only feature?

Now you're guilty of the same shit as Goetzjam; you don't even know what we are discussing, yet want to shoot it down.

Why should I care what you have to say when you won't even make the effort to know what the conversation is?

Awesome. So you can't answer it.

That's what I thought.

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Prisus wrote:

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Albinosaurus wrote:

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How does buying characters effect the hardcore market? Is this a softcore only feature?

Now you're guilty of the same shit as Goetzjam; you don't even know what we are discussing, yet want to shoot it down.

Why should I care what you have to say when you won't even make the effort to know what the conversation is?

Awesome. So you can't answer it.

That's what I thought.

I don't have a dog in this fight, at least not from the perspective that I can't imagine ever personally being interested in getting a pre-leveled character. If GGG improves their revenue stream and those that would be interested in getting pre-leveled characters (after a new league waiting period) enjoy the game more, I don't recall anyone saying what the harm is. (Whether it's HC or SC?) More money for GGG to develop new features sounds like a nice outcome for everyone. Doesn't it?

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Prisus wrote:

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Albinosaurus wrote:

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How does buying characters effect the hardcore market? Is this a softcore only feature?

Now you're guilty of the same shit as Goetzjam; you don't even know what we are discussing, yet want to shoot it down.

Why should I care what you have to say when you won't even make the effort to know what the conversation is?

Awesome. So you can't answer it.

That's what I thought.

Hey, that's a cool attempt to misdirect. Maybe we can talk when you learn what we are talking about and grow up.

This could only be in softcore, it could never be in hardcore. The reason why is that you would be able to buy your way past potential disqualifiers, namely death.

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Xtorma wrote:

This could only be in softcore, it could never be in hardcore. The reason why is that you would be able to buy your way past potential disqualifiers, namely death.

I take you are referring to the bragging rights factor? If so, I agree that's a good point. As a potential solution, perhaps GGG could tag the pre-leveled characters somehow with a Star or some kind of symbol after the character name or have the name always end in "_PL" or something?

The suggestion was never intended to be for hardcore, because the entire purpose of that mode is different than softcore. You wouldn't put gasoline in a diesel truck; it just doesn't fit. It doesn't work that way.