It's time for preleveled/preascended characters to enter the shop or be made available somehow.

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Albinosaurus wrote:

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Gem of ease only works on subsequent characters, not the first of every league.

Got this far before I stopped reading. You haven't followed anything in this thread, because this has been addressed like 40 times, and I'm tired of repeating it. Show that you actually know what is being discussed, and then we can have a proper discussion. Until then, you aren't qualified to.

Even if it is 3-4 weeks into a league that still could be the first character for that person in a league.

I mean think about it not everyone has time to play the league the first few weeks, if its the end of the 2nd or third week they might just wait to buy instead of leveling a character, that simply isn't good.

You just responded to that and said "you havent paid attention" because you have nothing to actually counter, you know the who fucking topic is stupid as fuck.

wtf is this dumb ass idea lol.

So let's say that even 20% of the player base wants to do this. That means there is 20% less available loot and "economic foundation" being built for the late game economy.

Why the fuck would anyone want a leveled character with no gear? How do you propose to get gear without currency? (unless the proposal is that the character come with some set amount of currency...which is even more retarded).

It's not like you can do dried lake runs naked...and unless you have a friend that is willing to "carry you" out of the kindness of their heart for you to get a starter build going, this seems like it would be more annoying than it would be convenient.

Dumb ass idea that really wasn't thought through. Sorry but if you want to buy "ready-to-go" characters World of Warcraft offers that with every new expansion.

This is not the game you seek, exile.

EDIT: So the just re-read some stuff...so the proposal is to allow the purchase of you 2nd+ character as a pre-leveled character?

Hmm...idea isn't AS stupid...but still kinda dumb nonetheless. It literally will kill the market for any gear that is not end game gear. All those leveling uniques and rares that got you a few c to get your own build going....yeah throw that shit out the window.

Frankly the whole idea sounds like a Diablo/WoW player trying to homogenize a game that is trying to stay unique in a cry-baby driven video game market. If you want completely noob a game out, pls go elsewhere and noob one out.

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goetzjam wrote:

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Albinosaurus wrote:

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Gem of ease only works on subsequent characters, not the first of every league.

Got this far before I stopped reading. You haven't followed anything in this thread, because this has been addressed like 40 times, and I'm tired of repeating it. Show that you actually know what is being discussed, and then we can have a proper discussion. Until then, you aren't qualified to.

Even if it is 3-4 weeks into a league that still could be the first character for that person in a league.

I mean think about it not everyone has time to play the league the first few weeks, if its the end of the 2nd or third week they might just wait to buy instead of leveling a character, that simply isn't good.

You just responded to that and said "you havent paid attention" because you have nothing to actually counter, you know the who fucking topic is stupid as fuck.

Nice fallacy, but I responded that way because you don't even know what we're talking about, and want to shoot it down (proving one of my earlier points).

To repeat it yet again, the proposal was that you had to defeat Malachai on Merc (and maybe reach level 80) with your first character of a season before you had access to the lvl 60 start. This limitation is only to keep people from starting a new season at 60--giving them a clear advantage over people who don't. If you don't have time to play at season start, this wouldn't change anything for the season firsts anyway, but since your first character has to be played normally either way, your lvl 60 new character can't farm anything that your first character couldn't without doing some leveling/gearing up first.

@Prisus
You can deride it all day, but the fact is that some of us like to play many builds and the tedium of having to play the game twice on each character pushes us away more than any other factor. It kills the fun that wide build diversity is supposed to offer this kind of game.

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Prisus wrote:

wtf is this dumb ass idea lol.

So let's say that even 20% of the player base wants to do this. That means there is 20% less available loot and "economic foundation" being built for the late game economy.

Why the fuck would anyone want a leveled character with no gear? How do you propose to get gear without currency? (unless the proposal is that the character come with some set amount of currency...which is even more retarded).

It's not like you can do dried lake runs naked...and unless you have a friend that is willing to "carry you" out of the kindness of their heart for you to get a starter build going, this seems like it would be more annoying than it would be convenient.

Dumb ass idea that really wasn't thought through. Sorry but if you want to buy "ready-to-go" characters World of Warcraft offers that with every new expansion.

This is not the game you seek, exile.

EDIT: So the just re-read some stuff...so the proposal is to allow the purchase of you 2nd+ character as a pre-leveled character?

Hmm...idea isn't AS stupid...but still kinda dumb nonetheless. It literally will kill the market for any gear that is not end game gear. All those leveling uniques and rares that got you a few c to get your own build going....yeah throw that shit out the window.

Frankly the whole idea sounds like a Diablo/WoW player trying to homogenize a game that is trying to stay unique in a cry-baby driven video game market. If you want completely noob a game out, pls go elsewhere and noob one out.

You're right it wouldn't work at the beginning of a league but later on it might work out. An example might be, he's playing a level 70 witch and he finds some build defining item for a ranger. That person might want to spend some points to buy a pre-leveled ranger. GGG gets a donation and everyone goes on their merry way. If GGG gets some donations from it, I don't see the harm? I doubt I would ever be interested just because I enjoy leveling characters. (We'll except for the horrible labyrinth but that's a different topic.)

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Albinosaurus wrote:

@Prisus
You can deride it all day, but the fact is that some of us like to play many builds and the tedium of having to play the game twice on each character pushes us away more than any other factor. It kills the fun that wide build diversity is supposed to offer this kind of game.

Well then get pushed away. I don't know what to tell you. You want pre-ascended characters to get to level 60-75 where your build really comes alive and is fun.

So how do you get "pre-leveled" bandit quests? So now they have to create a new UI for you to pick you free bandit points for Cruel/normal? You're not making sense and you own selfish laziness is pushing an agenda which is good for you.

Sorry... i level around 3-4 chars a league (especially the last 2 since i've figured the game out more and can level quickly). I hate the early part as well, but KNOW that i makes me feel a lot better once my build gets functional. It's like watching a character being born.

Buying that entire process seems like a shitty cash grab...which typically GGG has steered clear from.

The point of the game is leveling. You want to buy leveling. Sorry but this idea is stupid.

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Turtledove wrote:

You're right it wouldn't work at the beginning of a league but later on it might work out. An example might be, he's playing a level 70 witch and he finds some build defining item for a ranger. That person might want to spend some points to buy a pre-leveled ranger. GGG gets a donation and everyone goes on their merry way. If GGG gets some donations from it, I don't see the harm? I doubt I would ever be interested just because I enjoy leveling characters. (We'll except for the horrible labyrinth but that's a different topic.)

There is more complication then just getting a pre-leveled character. What about bandit points for normal/cruel. So you just buy a premade character with no assigned bandit points? Well hope you aren't going for a life character otherwise there goes your +40.

I understand what you are saying in terms of GGG getting more money out of it.

there are other things as well to consider. Lab racers maybe? If a lab racer finds a GG spec, that does 3 min clears...then other players that want to compete could simply buy a new char and copy that players build without having to at a minimum work towards it through leveling hell?

I don't know. I don't even play WoW, but when i heard you could P2W leveled characters I was annoyed. I feel like it completely shits on the core concept and idea of the game.

To me, GGG even considering anything like this would scream "sellout".

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So how do you get "pre-leveled" bandit quests? So now they have to create a new UI for you to pick you free bandit points for Cruel/normal? You're not making sense and you own selfish laziness is pushing an agenda which is good for you.

Yeah, because it's SO hard to have a little window come up with that option. You're really making that big of a deal over something a dev could do in 10 minutes? Please.

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i level around 3-4 chars a league

And I level 15-20 per league, at least. You're not the type of person this conversation is about.

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The point of the game is leveling.

No. That's one aspect of the game, and the first 70% of it is absolutely shit. There is no singular point of the game.

Honestly, your argument is like a straight person trying to make laws for gay people--it's not even about you, so you're the last person to have a qualified opinion, especially when you refuse to understand where they are coming from.

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I don't know what to tell you.

Only honest sentence in your post.

@albino

If they do this, will you finally level an endgame character instead of just calling them finished at 80, LUL.

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Albinosaurus wrote:

And I level 15-20 per league, at least. You're not the type of person this conversation is about.

LOL. Just saw your characters. The fact that you make 15-20 characters per league that you NEVER seem to even get close to finishing is your own fault.

You either have the attention span of a squirrel and get bored in 3 seconds OR you completely have no idea that the near-end game leveling is 60-80 is where builds really come alive.

Yes I'm making laws for gay people...LOL. Do you even read what you write? I would be insulted but that analogy was so dumb i spit up my water laughing.

You want to trivialize the leveling period, ruin mid game economy, and create P2W schemes in POE...and I'M the one one making laws for gay people.

pls continue your delusional posting and enjoy bouncing between your 20-25 characters per league LMAO.

P.S. If you can really code UI's in 10 minutes with archaic frame work, pls apply for a job with GGG. They are looking for very efficient coders such as yourself.

what a fucking joke lol.

I mean, once they implement Paid Leagues, a League where everyone starts in Act IV Merciless could be possible.. After all, they have that feature in certain Race Leagues.

But never for the real Leagues.

So because I got bored of leveling (and prophecy in general), you think that somehow discounts what I said? It proves it. And even if I had 0 characters, it wouldn't change a thing. That's a simple ad hominem attack: Trying to target me instead of the argument. Nice try, but nobody buys that bullshit these days.

@Prisus
Most of that post is just nonsense, but it seriously would take no real effort to just have an NPC for Lvl 60 start characters who let you pick which reward you want for the first two difficulties. They can use the same interface they do for quest rewards: http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Book_of_Reform_(Oak)

Your argument relies on exaggerating things to the point of idiocy.

@Goetzjam
What do you consider end game? Why should it matter to you what I do with my characters? I've stated repeatedly that the draw for this game, for me, is build diversity--experimenting with different mechanics, character concepts, and item/gem interactions. I honestly have no interest in Atziri. Never have. Maps are a general enough environment for me to test these various builds in, but you're surprised that I got bored of leveling them so that I could try it? Lab is a terrible experience on any difficulty, so level really has nothing to do with that.

What do you think you're trying to prove here?