Skill tree: Easy way to move passive points

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The passive tree has been reworked a lot and will keep getting reworked a lot, so don't worry this will probably get changed at some point (2.0, I'd guess).

Balancing stuff is VERY complex, and sometimes some things need to get the short end of the stick so that the others can work decently. This isn't an exact science and mistakes can be made. Just keep your cool and try to submit as feedback what you feel is wrong, the devs will know what you consider is wrong with the skill tree.

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Wispo wrote:

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The passive tree has been reworked a lot and will keep getting reworked a lot, so don't worry this will probably get changed at some point (2.0, I'd guess).

Balancing stuff is VERY complex, and sometimes some things need to get the short end of the stick so that the others can work decently. This isn't an exact science and mistakes can be made. Just keep your cool and try to submit as feedback what you feel is wrong, the devs will know what you consider is wrong with the skill tree.

The op has a very very valid point. In substance, he has been "damaged" by the tax points. Just a minute ago i was counting them: SIX everywhere in a circular and specular pattern, for the love of simmetry and good lookingness (ggg loves the design of the tree over the functionality... maybe for christmas i can gift them of some cosmetic products of Max Factor or Loreal Paris to do the make up of the tree and make it appear sexiest).

Marauder-duelist
duelist-ranger
ranger-shadow
shadow-witch
witch-templar
templar-marauder

it doesn't matter what is your journey: you MUST throw in the toilet and flush water SIX precious points...

Wispo is salty? Think about this before thinking bad of me: if your builds that could have been finished, say, at level 84... are instead finished at lvl 90 and you all MUST bash your "spheres" with slooooooow exp gain for 6 levels more... it's all FAULT of those 6 TAX points and of ggg's forever ongoing obsession for nerfing whatever good result we could obtain

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goetzjam wrote:

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That's a small change. The build remains the exact same, and you're only trying to gain 1 node by doing this change, plus eventually switching stats to more practical ones. I don't see any issue in allowing players to do this. It even allows for a more enjoyable build progression. No, I can't say I find anything wrong with allowing this.

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JuniorHakensheath wrote:

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Wispo wrote:

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The passive tree has been reworked a lot and will keep getting reworked a lot, so don't worry this will probably get changed at some point (2.0, I'd guess).

Balancing stuff is VERY complex, and sometimes some things need to get the short end of the stick so that the others can work decently. This isn't an exact science and mistakes can be made. Just keep your cool and try to submit as feedback what you feel is wrong, the devs will know what you consider is wrong with the skill tree.

The op has a very very valid point. In substance, he has been "damaged" by the tax points. Just a minute ago i was counting them: SIX everywhere in a circular and specular pattern, for the love of simmetry and good lookingness (ggg loves the design of the tree over the functionality... maybe for christmas i can gift them of some cosmetic products of Max Factor or Loreal Paris to do the make up of the tree and make it appear sexiest).

Marauder-duelist
duelist-ranger
ranger-shadow
shadow-witch
witch-templar
templar-marauder

it doesn't matter what is your journey: you MUST throw in the toilet and flush water SIX precious points...

Wispo is salty? Think about this before thinking bad of me: if your builds that could have been finished, say, at level 84... are instead finished at lvl 90 and you all MUST bash your "spheres" with slooooooow exp gain for 6 levels more... it's all FAULT of those 6 TAX points and of ggg's forever ongoing obsession for nerfing whatever good result we could obtain

No - its about making choices at ALL stages of the game. The OP took those nodes because he needed them at the time (either to get where he initially wanted to go, or because he needed them for skills.) GGG isn't telling me he CAN'T change the tree - they just have rules in place that require a certain procedure in order to do so.

I think that weighing short term benefits vs. long term benefits is one of the golden aspects of the game. Sure - those life nodes aren't as important as damage nodes in Normal - but they are critical in Merciless. If I can break a tree and put it back together any way I want to - I can benefit from BOTH, and therefore I do not need to plan my build out in advance.

What the OP is basically asking for is a (nearly) full respec at will. That defeats the purpose of planning out a build from the start.

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Hemmingfish wrote:

I've waited on making this thread until I could find a good example of it, which (un)fortunately cropped up on my ranger in the 1 month HC league.

Here's the issue: there's no way to apply respec and passive points in one action. This is a major issue when it comes to orphaned nodes. Take for instance this segment of my ranger's passive tree:

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I've decided I don't need the int nodes after all, which means I no longer need the dex node below them either. I would like to move them like this:



This would be a direct upgrade to my character, but right now it's impossible to do without getting THREE more passive points than I actually need, or using twice as many respec points as it should cost (respec nodes from somewhere else, place to link up, respec the int nodes and dex and put the ones i specced back). It's a nuisance rather than game-breaking but it's a terrible waste of currency for what should be a reasonably simple action.

Right now the process is:

1) Attempt to respec the nodes. The game won't let me because orphaned nodes.
2) Confirm
3) Place nodes where needed
4) Confirm

It would be significantly more manageable if this was the process:

1) Attempt to respec the nodes. The game lets me because it doesn't know where they're going yet. At this point the confirm box would be darkened and wouldn't let you press it.
2) Without hitting confirm, place the passives you've gotten from respeccing into the desired nodes. If the tree is intact again, confirm lights up
3) Confirm


It's just something that really bugs me and could be solved so relatively simply. Please look into it for 2.0 GGG.

EDIT: I realise I only need one additional skill point to make the link, but that's one too many.

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goetzjam wrote:

I guess I need to make a tree to show you the potential power of what OP is suggesting, in his case specifically here the power move isn't that high, but if regrets were 1:1 allowing you to break the tree at any point as long as you connected it before you finished we are talking about something that is extremely powerful, something many people spend 20-40 regret orbs doing every single league.

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kompaniet wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

I guess I need to make a tree to show you the potential power of what OP is suggesting, in his case specifically here the power move isn't that high, but if regrets were 1:1 allowing you to break the tree at any point as long as you connected it before you finished we are talking about something that is extremely powerful, something many people spend 20-40 regret orbs doing every single league.

why are you going so deep into this? this is the suggestions forum. if there would be a problem surely the developers can figure out a solution. if they should decide to want to put this idea into the game that is. don't be so dramatic :)