I think it is time, to finally consider stability

While I also enjoy the way Lost Ark looks, the company making it is known for P2W games. So expect nothing but it being as such.

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Mudpony wrote:

Fully agree they need to spend a bit of time cleaning things up.

For me, Imperial Gardens zones just leads to crash after crash on loading. Sometimes into it, but often trying to go from it to the Library or Scepter of God. This used to happen sometimes prior to 1.3 (and that's with the gc setting and other stuff to help address the 32-bit issue), but now... it's pretty much guaranteed. Computer runs the game fine otherwise, no real complaints about framerate or anything, but those last few zones in act 3... Well, I can start the game up, go from the hub to IG and try to enter Scepter or the Library... and be back to my desktop.

If this were one of my projects, I'd be embarrassed about that state of affairs.

Same here. Im not proud of running an 6 year old machine, but it is waht it is. RL things are important and I can't spend money on a new rig atm.

And if I do, I bookmark it as investment for POE, nc the only other game I enjoy is LOL and it runs smoothly on my 6y old comp.

Anyways, I'd rather spent the 800 bucks on GGG rather on a new rig. But if I have to get a new rig with 1.4 just to play the game, GGG will never see any money from me anytime soon, since I "invested" 800 allready to play it.

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ggnorekthx wrote:

I agree with the OP. I have a machine that can run maxed out Skyrim and better games at 100 FPS. The argument that people should "upgrade their potato" is the lamest thing I've ever heard, and you should feel like a total idiot for even suggesting it.

OP's potato can't even run minesweeper at 100 fps, that's how bad it is. Suggesting to upgrade it is more than valid :)

You know, there are people out there who have to feed their family, pay off there loans for houses and want to spend 1-2 weeks in the year on a nice holyday with their family. Not everyone can shake out 1k bucks that easily and upgrade from now to then.

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Vincendra wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

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ggnorekthx wrote:

I agree with the OP. I have a machine that can run maxed out Skyrim and better games at 100 FPS. The argument that people should "upgrade their potato" is the lamest thing I've ever heard, and you should feel like a total idiot for even suggesting it.

OP's potato can't even run minesweeper at 100 fps, that's how bad it is. Suggesting to upgrade it is more than valid :)

You know, there are people out there who have to feed their family, pay off there loans for houses and want to spend 1-2 weeks in the year on a nice holyday with their family. Not everyone can shake out 1k bucks that easily and upgrade from now to then.

If you can play 1000s of hours of PoE you can find some way within that 1000s of hours to make some money.

Just an FYI

On topic I'm sure one day they'll hire someone to do the job.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

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Vincendra wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

OP's potato can't even run minesweeper at 100 fps, that's how bad it is. Suggesting to upgrade it is more than valid :)

You know, there are people out there who have to feed their family, pay off there loans for houses and want to spend 1-2 weeks in the year on a nice holyday with their family. Not everyone can shake out 1k bucks that easily and upgrade from now to then.

If you can play 1000s of hours of PoE you can find some way within that 1000s of hours to make some money.

Just an FYI

On topic I'm sure one day they'll hire someone to do the job.

What a ridiculous thing to think, more so to communicate to another.

EX - Playing a free game for 2-3 hour per day, after the kids are in bed and the wife/girlfriend/husband/boyfriend is asleep or not around, can not turn into hours that can be spent making money, for the vast majority of people. Those same commitments when compared to income can also mean no real funds for the relatively over powered rig it takes to run a comparatively low tech game at reasonable settings and performance.

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What a ridiculous thing to think, more so to communicate to another.

EX - Playing a free game for 2-3 hour per day, after the kids are in bed and the wife/girlfriend/husband/boyfriend is asleep or not around, can not turn into hours that can be spent making money, for the vast majority of people. Those same commitments when compared to income can also mean no real funds for the relatively over powered rig it takes to run a comparatively low tech game at reasonable settings and performance.

If you can play 1000s of hours of a video game you can find some way to make more money unless you are denying that 2-3 hours per day couldn't come up with some way to extend the amount of money. Hell 2-3 hours a day is a college class or two you can take to further your education to make more money. You can learn how to invest in stuff, have a hobby in crafting that you can sell stuff on ebay/whatever, become amazing at art and draw professional art for people on the side ect. You can try to pick up extra hours at the workplace and thus on.

Just because you "choose" to spend your extra free time after work doesn't mean there isn't more money to be made. If you manage to play 2000-3000 hours (Like that's the equivalent of a 4 year degree of studying) of PoE on a toaster, I'm sure the ingenuity of non-3rd world country opportunities would allow you to do something.

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If you can play 1000s of hours of a video game you can find some way to make more money unless you are denying that 2-3 hours per day couldn't come up with some way to extend the amount of money. Hell 2-3 hours a day is a college class or two you can take to further your education to make more money. You can learn how to invest in stuff, have a hobby in crafting that you can sell stuff on ebay/whatever, become amazing at art and draw professional art for people on the side ect. You can try to pick up extra hours at the workplace and thus on.

Just because you "choose" to spend your extra free time after work doesn't mean there isn't more money to be made. If you manage to play 2000-3000 hours (Like that's the equivalent of a 4 year degree of studying) of PoE on a toaster, I'm sure the ingenuity of non-3rd world country opportunities would allow you to do something.

~.~

You are wrong my friend. This is no excuse, the game is badly developed and should run on older computers as the engine is really old.

GGG is ofering a product and we are their customers. You can't put on people's back the weight of consequences of a bad product. If someone has rights here, is only the customer who is playing the game and maybe spending money on it.

A company must make sure the product they are offering is of a good quality to justify people spending time playing it and spending money on it.

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chromafunk wrote:

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If you can play 1000s of hours of a video game you can find some way to make more money unless you are denying that 2-3 hours per day couldn't come up with some way to extend the amount of money. Hell 2-3 hours a day is a college class or two you can take to further your education to make more money. You can learn how to invest in stuff, have a hobby in crafting that you can sell stuff on ebay/whatever, become amazing at art and draw professional art for people on the side ect. You can try to pick up extra hours at the workplace and thus on.

Just because you "choose" to spend your extra free time after work doesn't mean there isn't more money to be made. If you manage to play 2000-3000 hours (Like that's the equivalent of a 4 year degree of studying) of PoE on a toaster, I'm sure the ingenuity of non-3rd world country opportunities would allow you to do something.

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You are wrong my friend. This is no excuse, the game is badly developed and should run on older computers as the engine is really old.

GGG is ofering a product and we are their customers. You can't put on people's back the weight of consequences of a bad product. If someone has rights here, is only the customer who is playing the game and maybe spending money on it.

A company must make sure the product they are offering is of a good quality to justify people spending time playing it and spending money on it.

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Not sure about you but I'm not sure were I claimed it was an excuse for optimization of the game ~.~ I merely said that if you can play thousands of hours of a game in a toaster you can buy a better PC for gaming in general. No idea were we get "it was made with an old engine thus needs to run perfectly fine for older computers." That would imply that you had a good PC for it's time, not a toaster.

I spent like a grand on my PC 3 years ago and still plays everything top of the line including PoE with the normal desync/box lag/ect due to bad PoE optimization. I fully support them optimizing their shitty indie game engine. Doesn't excuse the fact that if you have a complete toaster with the most min setting possible for PoE "optimization" would suddenly fix your PoE performance issues.

A "toaster" isn't a "Average pc", it would imply completely inferior and shouldn't even be used for.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

Not sure about you but I'm not sure were I claimed it was an excuse for optimization of the game ~.~ I merely said that if you can play thousands of hours of a game in a toaster you can buy a better PC for gaming in general.

maybe. maybe not. how much a person plays a game =/= that person's financial capability or set of priorities.
both of which are unknown to you. both of which make you sound like a fool trying to base any sort of assumption on two completely unknown variables.
and it is as much "on topic" here, as Xavderion's "lel JK plays on a potato" comments.

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A "toaster" isn't a "Average pc"

true.

but "a toaster" that fits the game's minimal requirements is something you should be aware of, as a developer, because it's something you support.
and as part of that support, you are at the very least required to provide the owner of that toaster a set of lower-able settings, so he can tweak into smooth gameplay, even if he clearly can't afford running the game on the same kind of maxed-out settings Slayer and Ragnarok do.

GGG provided no such thing in years.
the "mud quality 3" manual toggle in the settings file, is something dating back to the beginning of Open Beta at least. and it's far, far from being enough.

and obviously you are required to constantly improve your product as long as you support it.
patches with tons of uniques and MTX are one kind of support.
stabilizing the game is another.
both are absolutely crucial. the second more than the first, in my opinion.
GGG's priority, is the first. something like 90% to 10%, if I had to quantify how it looks like, from my side as a player that zealously reads every single announcement and patch note.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

It doesn't run like crap on good hardware. It runs like crap on outdated space heaters.

It sure as f*ck does not run as smooth as it could, either. I have an i7 CPU, GTX760 4gb DDR5 GPU, 12 GGB DDR5 RAM etc. etc. and it still rolls down to 20-30 FPS at certain stages of the game, usually because more ppl join in the party with CoC or whatever, but that's not the point.

The point is that PoE is inferior to a whole lot of games when it comes to the graphics and smoothness. It's absurd that i sometimes get less FPS in PoE than i get in Dragon Age: Inquisition, for example. Laughable, really.

@Xavderion - you're heckling about as always i see, with nothing to objectively add to the Primary post or the discussion as a whole. Impressive.