Lightning Thorns

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mgasper0 wrote:

first stop using life on hit and go for life leech. stop spaming your skills. maybe if u see that ure killing yourself with ure dps, go a bit more into def nodes and leave dps nodes out. KITE.

and again, one hit doesnt reflect 1.5k hp. i freakin tested it today in a 67 map. blue pack of blackmages and charge freaks. i stood there and dpsed. there were 3 withches and almost never 3x LT on chargers at the same time.

and by the way, i dont understand how can ppl play without life leech

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Bolded the main concession I will make. Tested myself as well and yes this is happening whether or not it was intended. If they fix this issue (if not intended) I will have no sympathy for lack of control.

As for the chap who was kind of to reply to my morning pissy reply. Yes it can hurt, but it is something you can work around and we both know that as well as we both know 7aps into a pack with that buff would be suicide. You are not forced to use Split Arrow. You do not have as many options as an Elemental Archer I give you that, but pacing Frenzy, and ROA can still do wonders for you. Support gem swapping is much more manageable than new character because it is easier to change a simple effect to your skills than reroll, infinitely. I carry multiple different support gems for different situations. I pull chain and lmp from ls when I am on maps that have witches. Same thing on my LA Duelist. I pulled PA out and ROA is still op since its drop can be controlled.

Kiting is still an option too. Peel and separate them. I am sorry but with multiple characters that map, having done Maelstrom in CB. Things change, and a single change like this can not in itself invalidate a character if the player is willing to adapt.

I still have little sympathy for the overall level of complaints. Especially when the first 10-12 pages of this very thread are LA characters telling melee to "roll ranged", "get better", "adapt", "kite more". From the perspective of melee predominant players you have to realize that the situation is less likely to engender sympathy, especially in this thread.


Alexis
*smiles*

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Voidtek1969 wrote:

As far as the LT buffing & GGG saying the mages have to be closer to use it, this is incorrect. When they coded the new changes, they made the mages start buffing whenever a mob in their pack within the mages' vicinity got hit with a players' attack.

This means any stray ranged attacks off-screen will prompt "preemptive" buffing offscreen, which means the next volley of attacks on the pack thats actually close to the player will either kill them or near kill them when their next ranged attack goes off-screen.

This was tested & proven multiple times yesterday by several players.

The off-screen stray attacks themselves are preempting buffing whether the players are near the mages or not.

This is a problem since obviously the players cant see the off-screen mages yet.

I don't have a problem with the changes per-se as long as I can see the mages before they buff up. As it stands, they are already buffed up by the time you get to them in many cases.

I see people on here saying, "well use your eyes & if you see a mage, stop using your attack that may kill you". I actually agree, but if you can't see that mage pack off-screen that is already buffed up because of the unintended buffing by proxy to your last attack off-screen, there is absolutely nothing you can do.

The off-screen buffing due to proxy of stray ranged attacks is bugged, and is what is causing most of these problems I surmise.

Bolded the main concession I will make. Tested myself as well and yes this is happening whether or not it was intended. If they fix this issue (if not intended) I will have no sympathy for lack of control.

As for the chap who was kind of to reply to my morning pissy reply. Yes it can hurt, but it is something you can work around and we both know that as well as we both know 7aps into a pack with that buff would be suicide. You are not forced to use Split Arrow. You do not have as many options as an Elemental Archer I give you that, but pacing Frenzy, and ROA can still do wonders for you. Support gem swapping is much more manageable than new character because it is easier to change a simple effect to your skills than reroll, infinitely. I carry multiple different support gems for different situations. I pull chain and lmp from ls when I am on maps that have witches. Same thing on my LA Duelist. I pulled PA out and ROA is still op since its drop can be controlled.

Kiting is still an option too. Peel and separate them. I am sorry but with multiple characters that map, having done Maelstrom in CB. Things change, and a single change like this can not in itself invalidate a character if the player is willing to adapt.

I still have little sympathy for the overall level of complaints. Especially when the first 10-12 pages of this very thread are LA characters telling melee to "roll ranged", "get better", "adapt", "kite more". From the perspective of melee predominant players you have to realize that the situation is less likely to engender sympathy, especially in this thread.


Alexis
*smiles*

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mgasper0 wrote:

hmm, im drunk right now, so... anway, i read the posts, sorry duskbane if we didnt understand each other or whatever. but u see, if u do 25k dps and u 1hit everything, then u find some reflect mobs and u 1 shot ureself. damn, isnt it time to change something?

and yee, i was all strong some time ago, thinking that if i do 10% of my hp as dmg im fine and life leech capped. yee... thats not right. try stacking some LL.

anyway, when i was young, u didnt get everything served on a silver plate, even in games. fallout, ultima, bg, planescape...

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mgasper0 wrote:

i understand your frustration, but the thorns doesnt kill u before u see em. its just a matter of being careful.

from the patch notes: 'The casters have to be closer to use it and have a reduced chance to cast it.'

the mobs 2 screens away doesnt have thorns on em already.