Would pay 50 bucks for a 2nd Inventory slot.

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Alea wrote:

stash tabs are borderline, inventory tabs is pay to winz

Read my posts and tell me how you could possibly think stash tabs are even close to P2W.

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Alea wrote:

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Natharias wrote:

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Alea wrote:

stash tabs are borderline, inventory tabs is pay to winz

Read my posts and tell me how you could possibly think stash tabs are even close to P2W.

"borderline" is the word used by some ggg representative btw, about those stash tabs.

Then tell them to read this thread.

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Natharias wrote:

The bolded parts show you are only here to cause problems and bicker with people regardless of who is correct and without regard to any content of any message.

You'll find you won't last long on the forums with this attitude. Nobody puts up with shit.

No, it does not show that, your posts show that, getting into a discussion with your mind already made up, and you're here just because you're plaguing the Suggestions subforum and you probably just seek attention.

"Without regard to any content of any message" - hilarious!

Anyway, nice job on explaining your 2 advantages of mules, just like I thought.

Luckily, that being "shit" is just your opinion, and nobody cares about that.
What's wrong with my attitude? That I won't communicate with someone who reads what he wants to read and enters a discussion with his mind made up in front, and when asked to explain his points he ignores that?

So, since you haven't explained your points, I won't probably ignore your posts, I will.

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tinko92 wrote:

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Natharias wrote:

The bolded parts show you are only here to cause problems and bicker with people regardless of who is correct and without regard to any content of any message.

You'll find you won't last long on the forums with this attitude. Nobody puts up with shit.

No, it does not show that, your posts show that, getting into a discussion with your mind already made up, and you're here just because you're plaguing the Suggestions subforum and you probably just seek attention.

Not to nit pick, but you also just described yourself.

Not for this but still for being able to move freely between portals once a map is cleared (boss included).

Really dont see why it shouldnt happen.

EDIT: without payment ofc, just something that I think should be changed regarding maps.

I as the type of player that tends to find something good in almost every item have seen myself before being bothered by the fact that actually too much stuff that I wanted to keep dropped and even with all portals I still left some stuff behind

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mark1030 wrote:

Not to nit pick, but you also just described yourself.

Really? And how exactly did you argument that stash tabs don't save time?
Let me repeat myself for the last time, if stash tabs don't save time, they wouldn't be the primary source of income for GGG and why would people spend a lot of money for them if they don't save time, for the looks?

I gave my argument for how trading from mules is quicker (or at the very least, no different), than trading from you stash. Your counter argument to that was that your computer can't handle that.

So, maybe the answer to your question is that people buy stash tabs because it's cheaper than buying an upgraded computer.

Maybe the answer isn't that people are buying stash tabs, but that people are buying points to support this free game. If your scenario is true, wouldn't stash tabs be the only thing people buy with their points? Because more is better, right? So buying anything other than stash tabs would be gimping yourself and wasting money.

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Alea wrote:

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Natharias wrote:

Read my posts and tell me how you could possibly think stash tabs are even close to P2W.

theres no real need to discuss about inventory tabs
implementing this as a microtransaction == P2W definitely

example 1 :

Juicy map: with 6x players, tons of rares drop, nobody have space to grab all; map is over everybody leave, the one with 10 inventory tabs grab everything and sell for alts => P2W

example 2 :

New league/long event: everybody rush, much blue items are droping on the floor, nobody have space to grab all, the one with 10 inventory tabs grab everything and sell for alts => P2W

example 3 :

Piety/Dominus runs: Piety drop so much stuff, ppl dont have enough space in inventory and leave some on the floor, some others try to sort out their inventory to get more space and to grab the remaining rares whiles others are going back to town; the one having 10 inventory tabs grab everything and sell for alts or eventually get a gz roll => P2W

example 4 : Big map solo; players with 1 tab inventory need to use a portal and to go back town, they lose time doing that; the one with 10 inventory tabs grab everything without losing time => P2W

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Read my posts and tell me how you could possibly think stash tabs are even close to P2W.

-_-

You're talking about inventory tabs, which I'm not talking about.

I'm talking about stash tabs. Try reading my posts.

@tinko92:

Lol. Just lol.

You can't even think of something else to say and need to copy the same language of the person you can't logically argue against? Pathetic.

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mark1030 wrote:

I gave my argument for how trading from mules is quicker (or at the very least, no different), than trading from you stash. Your counter argument to that was that your computer can't handle that.

So, maybe the answer to your question is that people buy stash tabs because it's cheaper than buying an upgraded computer.

Maybe the answer isn't that people are buying stash tabs, but that people are buying points to support this free game. If your scenario is true, wouldn't stash tabs be the only thing people buy with their points? Because more is better, right? So buying anything other than stash tabs would be gimping yourself and wasting money.

No, that was not my argument, please do not lie, or if you're not lying on purpose, read with a lot more concentration.
Your argument on using mules for trading is based on multiple clients running, which can also be done with stash tabs, as I've already said earlier, but that somehow past by your attention.
And in the same environment regarding multiple clients running, trading through stash tabs is again, a lot faster.

That was a poor answer, as why would people waste money to save some small amount of time for trading in a single game.

Really, people are buying stash tabs just to support GGG? Maybe in another universe or with another kind of life-form.
People would not just give money and receive nothing when they have an option to get something.

Stash tabs are an absolute #1 income source for GGG, as they've said that themselves, and that's why we have them at sale.
And no, that is not the logic applied to my points, the difference between 4 and 10 is enormous, while the difference between 20 and 25 is not, call it diminishing returns ;)
So no, after people buy themselves a decent amount of stash tabs, if they want to support more, they get some fancy effects, some real non-gameplay-changing stuff.
Which is exactly why there are a lot of players without supporter titles that have supported GGG, and it's mostly (a huge majority) through the stash tabs.

It really makes me smile how stash tab buyers defend that aspect of the game. Why do they (you) do that is beyond me.
So what if we have a situation like this, the company needs money, nobody would work for nothing.
It's the attitude of you and the company about that aspect that annoys me. Which is exactly why I've proposed an another source of income for GGG based on the convenience, yet that is somehow P2W.
It's hypocrisy.

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tinko92 wrote:

You've skipped some actions before inviting to a party, and since I can see that you have no idea how it's really like to play without stash tabs, I will write down the steps:

1. Player XYZ whispers you and wants to know the price of an item X
2. I ask him to wait up, I'm in a map, I'll look it up afterwards
3. Map is finished, I need to open up the PoE website, locate the item on my mules
4. Whisper the player XYZ about the item, he agrees with the price
5. Player XYZ sends the party invite, I decline and I need to tell him that I'm going to my mule so we can trade
6. Trade is done and I can switch character back and continue playing

I'll disregard the fact that when I alt+tab from PoE and I come back, the FPS drops by roughly 50% for a minute or so, the only game where that happens.
Which means that players with lower PC specs are suffering here too, not everybody can open up a web browser and a high demanding game, I can, but I'm just saying and you can ignore this, but know that this exists.

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mark1030 wrote:

1. same
2. I clear an area and get to a safe spot. I open 2nd instance of the game and the xyz website to check price.
3. skipped, because I can have 2 accounts logged in at same time
4. same
5. alt-tab to alt account and invite player. make trade.
6. alt-tab back and continue.

Since you don't remember me giving my 5 steps to compare to your 6. You keep accusing me of not reading or lying about what you say, yet you've exaggerated your steps to make things look much harder than they are.

I'll even add a direct comparison to having the stash tabs for your orignal 6 steps:
1. nothing would change
2. nothing would change
3. mostly the same except you'd find the item in your stash instead of the appropriately named mule. If you are organized this is just as easy as looking through stash tabs.
4. nothing would change
5. Player xyz send invite, you accept, leaving your current party.
6. trade is done and you have to ask for a party invite to return to your party.

If you instead invite him you'd skip having to ask for a party invite. But everything else would be the same. Now, compare my 5 steps to these 6 steps. Pretty basic comparison if you leave the exaggeration out. Now, I understand you can't do my 5 steps because of limitations on your computer. That's fine. And that's why I made the observation that maybe buying stash tabs is cheaper than buying an upgraded computer.

I'll leave it at this single argument so you won't miss it.