PoE really having a shiny future or is it just switching player bases?

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BoondockSaint wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

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tinko92 wrote:

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How do you know?

I know because I play just fine without it impacting me. If it impacts me, I don't care because I'm fine. So I guess the impact is small.

World is a beautiful place, its perfect.... all those people in war, dying from hunger, that doesnt impact me, world and we people are perfect.....

/sarcasm

Just go to JSP site and see that there are more threads in trading forum there then on official trading forum..... this game is no diferent then Diablo 3, it has AH and RMAH, only diference is Bliz learned from their mistake and GGG never will

I thought that you were joking, but I visited the relevant site and my god so many trade threads there just for this month.

It is fucking ridiculous.

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Xavderion wrote:

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I barely feel the impact of RMT, do you?

Does it matter if you "feel" the impact? There are rules for how to play the game and people who don't follow the rules should be punished accordingly.

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mazul wrote:

I thought that you were joking, but I visited the relevant site and my god so many trade threads there just for this month.

next:
check past activity for high profile accounts (with much rmt currency)
see how long they have been in the game

but of course no one knows anything
it is so hard to query your own database

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CCR5 wrote:

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mazul wrote:

I thought that you were joking, but I visited the relevant site and my god so many trade threads there just for this month.

next:
check past activity for high profile accounts (with much rmt currency)
see how long they have been in the game

but of course no one knows anything
it is so hard to query your own database

lol CCR5,we've known this this stuff since closed beta and even had top closed beta ladder players called out on it and more recently some popular streamers.

In Australia we have a term used for these kind of business dealings,it's called *mates rates*,it's frowned upon but used widely even in billion dollar industries and politics.

You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.It's amateurish to be sure,but it works wonders no less.

=P

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BoondockSaint wrote:

World is a beautiful place, its perfect.... all those people in war, dying from hunger, that doesnt impact me, world and we people are perfect.....

/sarcasm

Just go to JSP site and see that there are more threads in trading forum there then on official trading forum..... this game is no diferent then Diablo 3, it has AH and RMAH, only diference is Bliz learned from their mistake and GGG never will

You don't get it, I don't doubt that there is RMT going on, I just said it barely affects me. It really doesn't, so what's your point?

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mazul wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

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I barely feel the impact of RMT, do you?

Does it matter if you "feel" the impact? There are rules for how to play the game and people who don't follow the rules should be punished accordingly.

Of course it does, that's how I measure if RMT is 'rampant' or if it's just a small nuisance. If I'd have to pay a gazillion chaos even for mediocre items because everyone uses RMT and inflation is through the roof, then I'd say it affects me a lot. But as it is now, I don't care. Looks like GGG is doing a fine job.

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3.1) Most top players aren't willing to bot/RMT. Baddies around the forum will accuse everyone of cheating who is better than them, which makes botting and RMT look like a huge problem. The reality is, only a small percentage of players is actually willing to cheat. Most top players would just quit out of frustration, which means GGG would have to adjust the economy (point 2)

Better check reddit, where players get shamed without censorship.

Some even admit RMT on reddit but won't be banned/warned because they can claim "Nick on reddit isn't them" even the reddit history is slightly younger than PoE history and the RMT history being the oldest.

Streamers stopped streaming in invasion because they needed the same helper a level 87 streamer used to detect invasion bosses.

And because items appeared in their stashtabs. I just say: *rip* "I was all in" next day:
"Oh I still had 20 exalts voltaxic and shavronnes"

The issue here is that naming and shaming isn't allowed and support only bans repeating idiot RMTers.

If shaming with evidence would be allowed then you would see a different picture.

For example take a streamer screenshot his tabs for one day and then screenshot them the next day and look if suddenly items (dis)appeared-->RMT is obvious

If somebody got a really uncommon nick and the nick is the same on the RMT board RMT is very likely.
For example if somebody in a Mafia based Game is named Luca Brasi and a RMT account is named Luca Brasi it's very likely not him.
But if somebody uses a specific nick over and over and over again and it's really unlikely somebody ever uses it the chance of him being tied to the RMT account is very likely.

X is RMTer is shaming without a basis but:
X is RMTer look here, here, here should be allowed and somebody could handle analyze the evidence with a level: (false claim) (unlikely) (likely) (highly possible) (almost certain) (confirmed)


Also GGG claimed they are able to track item histories but that was a bluff because they could just check the amount of one sided trades of given accounts and nail RMTers.

And it seems they are quiet lax on high donator cheaters/RMTers.
A really obvious botter got unbanned after being caught and unbanned several times and after each unban but the last he started botting again.
How blatant can somebody be?

If RMT results in players buying several MTX GGG is willing to accept RMT and that's a shame.

Ouch steamcharts isn't even scratching 10k at peeks anymore.

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Hilbert wrote:

I forgot to respond with my opinion on the thread topic.

I would rather say GGG is hoping for a "shiny future" but their actions result in players leaving the game and less new players join the game but some leave again.



/online was removed in late CB already I think. If not then early OB.

if only said players actually left though. The thing is I think dont players like yourself ever did like the game. You played it because it was popular, and because you played it you felt like you could shape it to exactly what you wanted (basically for it to just let you know you are very good and special and that you can have all the shiny things). You have decided that because PoE is not being catered directly to you that the devs dont care about the game. The thing is the devs just dont care about you in particular, they care about the game, and thus make it not reward you individually for being oh so special.

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LostForm wrote:

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Hilbert wrote:

I forgot to respond with my opinion on the thread topic.

I would rather say GGG is hoping for a "shiny future" but their actions result in players leaving the game and less new players join the game but some leave again.



/online was removed in late CB already I think. If not then early OB.

if only said players actually left though. The thing is I think dont players like yourself ever did like the game. You played it because it was popular, and because you played it you felt like you could shape it to exactly what you wanted (basically for it to just let you know you are very good and special and that you can have all the shiny things). You have decided that because PoE is not being catered directly to you that the devs dont care about the game. The thing is the devs just dont care about you in particular, they care about the game, and thus make it not reward you individually for being oh so special.

Or maybe

They played the game because it wasn't a popular cool new toy and only averaged /online 200 - 300 players on a good night/day.

In closed beta there was no need to feel like shaping anything,the game advertised for niche *hardcore* ARPG players and in most cases POE supplied the means to provide a *hardcore* environment/experience for those *hardcore* players.

What the game grew into,is far different than what was advertized,it caters to shop on demand market and trivializing gameplay,the design even goes so far as to reward it.

GGG obviously care about their game,less so the players they originally intended as the core player base,either that or they never were really looking for the niche *hardcore* ARPG players they advertised for and actually fostered hopes of catching the D2 trade bubble crowd and the shop on demand crowd of more recent online genres.

When I see a game advertised to my ideology,especially an ARPG,then yes I'd expect it to cater to and deliver on it's promise and reward me for support given by way of staying true to it's image.

Before open beta,POEs sales point image and GGGs vision for the game became cloudy for myself and the few I can knowingly speak for,it became apparent rather late where design decisions were heading and taking the game.

I do not believe these decisions were made by mistake or bad calls by Chris,but were intended design decisions to cater to the intended core players rather than the advertised players.

And you know what ? I'm completely fine with that.However for everyones sake,I think it appropriate GGG revisit their games marketing strategy,because it clearly is not designed presently for *hardcore* players expecting a hardcore game with a barter system.

So I guess what I'm saying is,I feel I don't deserve anything except an honest sales pitch,of which isn't supplied.


Again,I can't speak for others that I do not know personally,but for myself,close friends and game clan,of which I am familiar with their reasons to stop playing.


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