People are not playing now because of d3/eso, but everyone will be back soon.

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Reinhart wrote:

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astraph wrote:

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Reinhart wrote:

The only decent rpg games coming out this year are DDOS and PoE (yea lol but a different one).

All the rest is just juvenile crap (probably DA3 and Witcher 3 included but lets see).

The Witcher 3 has been pushed to february 2015,and since Witcher 2 was propably the best aRPG of it's generation,and -THIS IS A PERSONAL OPINION- 1 billion times the game PoE is(when it comes down to personal tastes,you can compare them,yeah),and Witcher 3 by the words of beta testers seems to be even better than 2,i think it will be very far from crap

Not my intention to derail the thread BUT:

Witcher 1 was a mediocre-good game but nothing too fancy. You had a nice semi-open world but the combat was really off. Witcher 2 on the other hand was just a console game in disguise. Quicktime events, horrible inventory management, long drawn out boss battles. It had all the hallmarks that it was catered for consoles first, pc second (although the slimy bastards claimed otherwise). The game was def hyped to the sky. Personally I didn't like one thing about it. And yes, I know this generation of "gamers" put story before gameplay.

But dont let this spoil your fun with Witcher 3 in 2015 :)

Hmm I don't know, I think Witcher II was a Pc > Console port.. I mean you only have to look at the insane detail on the pc version to see it couldn't of been a console to pc port.

I could care less about D3. I do agree however that in POE the farming for midnight fragments is load of @%#@ and the time spent playing VS reward is not there at all. People need to feel rewarded from playing by getting loot on a regular basis even without magic find.

Yup pretty accurate. I am taking a D3 break. I will be back in no time :)

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Reinhart wrote:

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astraph wrote:

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Reinhart wrote:

The only decent rpg games coming out this year are DDOS and PoE (yea lol but a different one).

All the rest is just juvenile crap (probably DA3 and Witcher 3 included but lets see).

The Witcher 3 has been pushed to february 2015,and since Witcher 2 was propably the best aRPG of it's generation,and -THIS IS A PERSONAL OPINION- 1 billion times the game PoE is(when it comes down to personal tastes,you can compare them,yeah),and Witcher 3 by the words of beta testers seems to be even better than 2,i think it will be very far from crap

Not my intention to derail the thread BUT:

Witcher 1 was a mediocre-good game but nothing too fancy. You had a nice semi-open world but the combat was really off. Witcher 2 on the other hand was just a console game in disguise. Quicktime events, horrible inventory management, long drawn out boss battles. It had all the hallmarks that it was catered for consoles first, pc second (although the slimy bastards claimed otherwise). The game was def hyped to the sky. Personally I didn't like one thing about it. And yes, I know this generation of "gamers" put story before gameplay.

But dont let this spoil your fun with Witcher 3 in 2015 :)

witcher 1 was a very good game for its day (not many good rpgs at akk in last 5 years, sadly enough), and a good game in general Id say.

also I find it weird that someone would call witcher series an arpg. its an RPG with a lot of combat, but its certainly not a dungeon crawler/arpg. comparing PoE to The Witcher is quite silly. What's next, comparing Baldurs Gate to PoE ?

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grepman wrote:

2. Itemization. This is a huge topic. There's a great post for new RoS problems here:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/12285768549

I don't think you can use this argument as a detractor against PoE, though.

Here is itemization in PoE for my Quill Rain CoC build:

- 5L or 6L Quill Rain
- Voll's Protector
- Thief's Torment
- Rat's Nest

Once I've got all of that I just go on poe.xyz and I buy items with as high resist as I can get.

That's it. Done. There's absolutely nothing else I can do with my character, and I got all of this gear without even getting to level 70 maps! So all that's left to do is basically farm for alts, and then those alts will have all the gear they need by the time they get to level 60 or so.

So yeah, PoE is pretty much as limited. In a different way, since you need specific uniques to make things work, but it's not like there's endless and incredibly-deep gearing. It's pretty simplistic once you know what you need to make a build work, and you always know since you have to research it in order to buy it from xyz.

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Lord_Kamster wrote:

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grepman wrote:

2. Itemization. This is a huge topic. There's a great post for new RoS problems here:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/12285768549

I don't think you can use this argument as a detractor against PoE, though.

Here is itemization in PoE for my Quill Rain CoC build:

- 5L or 6L Quill Rain
- Voll's Protector
- Thief's Torment
- Rat's Nest

Once I've got all of that I just go on poe.xyz and I buy items with as high resist as I can get.

That's it. Done. There's absolutely nothing else I can do with my character, and I got all of this gear without even getting to level 70 maps! So all that's left to do is basically farm for alts, and then those alts will have all the gear they need by the time they get to level 60 or so.

So yeah, PoE is pretty much as limited. In a different way, since you need specific uniques to make things work, but it's not like there's endless and incredibly-deep gearing. It's pretty simplistic once you know what you need to make a build work, and you always know since you have to research it in order to buy it from xyz.

I disagree, a lot.

first of all, CoC is just one build. tons of builds dont use any of those uniques. quill rain is basically a CoC staple, and is not a common item used in many builds. voll's is also specific to power charge users.

second of all, theres a difference between going for invasion or softcore. Im sure youd think twice about that rats nest if you cant cap resists.

third, a lot of builds in PoE simply dont require lots of unique investment. many builds use 1-2 uniques and the rest rares, especially weapon-wise (besides soul taker and lioneyes, both bad design)

finally, that topic tackles many issues, and the biggest one that yellow items are all highest base and you have best possible items very quick as mod pool in d3 is smart-dropping you vit+main stat. not so much in poe, Im sure you can find much better jewelry or boots or belt than what you have right now

so honestly I think we're talking about different things. I think figuring out how a build works (and like with most knowledge, you never know fully) and then looking at different gear, tree, skill/support combinations to discover new possibilities is one of the most fun things offered in PoE.
now Im not an expert on CoC builds (although I know the basics-crit, max attack speed with quill rain and eks on 6L), but I know builds I play I always change shit around to find a better combo of skills and new possibilities. Ive been paying a summoner for nearly a year and I still find new things to experiment, not to mention you can build a ton of pretty different summoner builds just from wearing different gear, different passive points and different skills. not so much in d3

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Reinhart wrote:

Not my intention to derail the thread BUT:

Witcher 1 was a mediocre-good game but nothing too fancy. You had a nice semi-open world but the combat was really off. Witcher 2 on the other hand was just a console game in disguise. Quicktime events, horrible inventory management, long drawn out boss battles. It had all the hallmarks that it was catered for consoles first, pc second (although the slimy bastards claimed otherwise). The game was def hyped to the sky. Personally I didn't like one thing about it. And yes, I know this generation of "gamers" put story before gameplay.

But dont let this spoil your fun with Witcher 3 in 2015 :)

Don't worry,you are not spoiling my fun :P.I disagree with everything you said about witcher 2.THe whole product screamed quality.The story and and the dialogues were some of the best seen in a game,while it was full of this "grey" morality,your choices actually mattered,leading to different storylines-quests even settings.The graphics were the best even seen on an RPG,and remember,this game was as well created by a small indie Polish company.I do agree on the horrible inventory,bad the gameplay ,at least since the enhanced edition was awasome.That kind of combat is love it or hate it.Plus,since i played on Dark difficulty,even the first time i played it,i found it harder than Dark Souls.Even with the best "gear" and top level,you were getting 1-2 shotted.

Grepman- The witcher is not a dungeon crawler but it is the very definition of action RPG.Much more than PoE,since it very heavily relies on the "action" aspect,meaning the player skill,in order to survive.ARPG is a very broad term,and it is seems that the majority of ppl in this forum consider ARPG only the diablo style games.
Also,i compared the witcher to PoE only judging by my personal taste-as in- i had much better time playing the witcher.I know they cannot be compared subjectively.

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Greig20 wrote:

GGG, people are trying out the other games, d3/ESO, but there wont be enough to hold them. We will be back, probably next 4 month league.

This is simply not true. People need to face the truth. Players stop playing because PoE is flawed.

1. People that struggle in the game quit because not enough loot drops.
2. People that are good in the game gear up with trading in a matter of weeks, even though that process is supposed to take much longer. Then no good loot drops so they quit the game.

That's the story of every PoE player ever.

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glh5 wrote:

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Greig20 wrote:

GGG, people are trying out the other games, d3/ESO, but there wont be enough to hold them. We will be back, probably next 4 month league.

This is simply not true. People need to face the truth. Players stop playing because PoE is flawed.

1. People that struggle in the game quit because not enough loot drops.
2. People that are good in the game gear up with trading in a matter of weeks, even though that process is supposed to take much longer. Then no good loot drops so they quit the game.

That's the story of every PoE player ever.

Guess I'm a unique snowflake then :D

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glh5 wrote:

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Greig20 wrote:

GGG, people are trying out the other games, d3/ESO, but there wont be enough to hold them. We will be back, probably next 4 month league.

This is simply not true. People need to face the truth. Players stop playing because PoE is flawed.

1. People that struggle in the game quit because not enough loot drops.
2. People that are good in the game gear up with trading in a matter of weeks, even though that process is supposed to take much longer. Then no good loot drops so they quit the game.

That's the story of every PoE player ever.

And the performance issues are even bigger than I thought.

Now, I've decided to give RoS a chance. I've set graphics to maximum this time (was playing on medium back with just D3, with 40+ FPS) and holy shit, everything works perfect, no FPS drops, ever, things even improved.
Doing great on medium settings in SC2, etc.

And I cannot not-have FPS drops even on Texture Quality 8 here in PoE (I've also tried everything I've ran into that could solve this, nothing helped).

This made me almost instantly uninstall PoE until they fix their game. And yes, it's not my wooden PC (laptop), it's the game.
And no, it's not just me, a lot of players with medium-high specs have performance issues, and they are leaving because of that.