People are not playing now because of d3/eso, but everyone will be back soon.

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Witcher 1 was a mediocre-good game but nothing too fancy. You had a nice semi-open world but the combat was really off.

The story of the witcher and the RPG elements are really appealing.
The autopsy quest is a quest how RPG quests should be.
The storyline is great because you can't tell what's good and what's evil.
It's all kind of greyish. Even your enemy at the end are kind of greyish because they act for a higher goal.
In fact the best ending is if you don't side at all and make both sides your enemies.
The only bad thing is that the story is really short for an RPG.
In realife you could say it's like side with islamic Terrorists,Nazis or neither.

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Witcher 2 on the other hand was just a console game in disguise. Quicktime events, horrible inventory management, long drawn out boss battles. It had all the hallmarks that it was catered for consoles first, pc second (although the slimy bastards claimed otherwise). The game was def hyped to the sky. Personally I didn't like one thing about it. And yes, I know this generation of "gamers" put story before gameplay.

But dont let this spoil your fun with Witcher 3 in 2015 :)

The boss battles were short if you skilled right. If you were misskilled like you didn't specialize on a path you would have serious problems such as the Draugur kicking your ass and even the preboss Draug would give you problems.
And it's simple gameplay just like in most games. What do you expect?
TES Morrowind was far more complicated than Oblivion and Skyrim became really simple.

Gameplay is stagnating since like 12-14 years because companies want to make money of console ports.

And what do you want to compare Witcher 2 to? Dragon Age 2? The joke where you can side with the Templars and the Final Boss are still the Templars?

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also I find it weird that someone would call witcher series an arpg. its an RPG with a lot of combat, but its certainly not a dungeon crawler/arpg. comparing PoE to The Witcher is quite silly. What's next, comparing Baldurs Gate to PoE ?

Actually there is much misuses here.

Dungeon Crawlers were PnP RPGs.
Regular RPGs are PnP RPGs with fluent combat and a big storyline.
ARPGs were games which included RPG elements but heavily reduced and removed rulesets.
The Witcher 2 is a really simple ARPG. You could compare it more to the Jedi Knight games which are more like 3rd Person Action Games with RPG elements.

Games like Diablo etc were Hack'n Slash RPGs. Goal was it to kill as many monsters possible to find items.

Then an unpopular genre till WoW were MMORPGs and sadly most companies tried to copy it and pushed grinding to the extreme that's why RMT is a massive problem here and people quit.
PoE requires more grinding than Asiagrinders and that's bad.

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That kind of combat is love it or hate it.Plus,since i played on Dark difficulty,even the first time i played it,i found it harder than Dark Souls.Even with the best "gear" and top level,you were getting 1-2 shotted.

You were misskilled then.
You can only specialize on 2 paths or 1 full path.
For example on my first playthrough I didn't skill up the shield sign, which would help me regenerate or give me temp immunity to physical damage and I died several times against the Draugur because I couldn't heal myself anymore after I got him to 20-30%.

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This is simply not true. People need to face the truth. Players stop playing because PoE is flawed.

1. People that struggle in the game quit because not enough loot drops.
2. People that are good in the game gear up with trading in a matter of weeks, even though that process is supposed to take much longer. Then no good loot drops so they quit the game.

That's the story of every PoE player ever.

As if loot is the only problem.
The game became just like an MMORPG with "don't touch me gameplay/here is my gearcheck" a manifestation of everything I hate.
I had chats with Chris and he never played games like The Witcher.
He came up with Guild Wars and other MMORPGs.
And I bet most players don't read the pseudostory of PoE anyway.

The game becomes boring really fast because you are forced to play in certain ways.

A Hack'n Slash had as basis that you could fight on par even with the hardest bosses for a short time on your first character.

In PoE all you see is "don't get hit and run around the enemy" skip the bosses in HC if you fail the Gearchecks.
Stay on distance to this invader.

The combat is just boring and so is excessive grinding. 99% of the drops suck.
Most uniques suck.
How long did I play Invasion? 1 Week at best?

That's not how a good game works.

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This made me almost instantly uninstall PoE until they fix their game. And yes, it's not my wooden PC (laptop), it's the game.
And no, it's not just me, a lot of players with medium-high specs have performance issues, and they are leaving because of that.

Much funnier is the GGG excuse why they don't remove performance decreasing issues.

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Hilbert wrote:

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That kind of combat is love it or hate it.Plus,since i played on Dark difficulty,even the first time i played it,i found it harder than Dark Souls.Even with the best "gear" and top level,you were getting 1-2 shotted.

You were misskilled then.
You can only specialize on 2 paths or 1 full path.
For example on my first playthrough I didn't skill up the shield sign, which would help me regenerate or give me temp immunity to physical damage and I died several times against the Draugur because I couldn't heal myself anymore after I got him to 20-30%.

Yes on my first playthrough i was definetely misskilled.But since then i completed the game 6 more times,all on dark difficulty,and even with the perfect talent tree for my playstyle(which was mostly combat skills and some magic upgrades,like aard and quen as u said),and with the best armours,the operator boss still 2 shotted you,and all this in a very narrow space.This is one of the most challenging boss fights i ve been engaged in an ARPG,along with the 2 knights on dark souls.
Generally i agree with your post

Trying to stay polite and on topic...

I'm planning to play the shit out of ESO from tomorrow on, and I fully expect to be returning to PoE (as well as playing it when taking breaks in ESO). If anything I'm annoyed the SotV was so awesome getting me super hooked on PoE again right before ESO launch :/

First world problems...

And for everyone that have negative opinions on PoE or D3/ESO, you're welcome to have them :) I personally find D3 to be really horrible, but as always, your mileage may vary.

I'm really enjoying RoS that's the worst part. It could never replace PoE though.

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Ihbram wrote:

Kids play casual games and media hyped games like D3

Men play deep, theocrafting games, (where an IQ is needed above 60) like PoE and dont cry or at least find ways to make it better.

men who like girls stomping on their nuts with stilettos are the ones that like POE

If you would kill 1 mob per tarded forum post you spew out you would gain a level or two a day :). Why are you mad little noob even here? GD seems to be the place for all the noobs that cant make the ladder and then go home whining bitter tears. And instead of accepting their shitty gaming abilites they blame GGG and the game. (Applies to way more than this game but some people cant seem to grasp that).

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giully wrote:

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x2Real wrote:

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Ihbram wrote:

Kids play casual games and media hyped games like D3

Men play deep, theocrafting games, (where an IQ is needed above 60) like PoE and dont cry or at least find ways to make it better.

men who like girls stomping on their nuts with stilettos are the ones that like POE

If you would kill 1 mob per tarded forum post you spew out you would gain a level or two a day :). Why are you mad little noob even here? GD seems to be the place for all the noobs that cant make the ladder and then go home whining bitter tears. And instead of accepting their shitty gaming abilites they blame GGG and the game. (Applies to way more than this game but some people cant seem to grasp that).

What you can't seem to grasp is that PoE and most arpgs are games with a very low skill ceiling. So "shitty gaming abilities" as you say have pretty much nothing to with it.

I actually wish I had something else that appeals to me right how. D3/ROS doesn't interest me, and I'm done with MMOs (and really don't want to get into a new one, it's just not good for my life), so ESO is not an option, either.

There's no shortage of games, though, just nothing sounds good. Hundreds of unplayed Steam games on my account, dozens of unplayed DS and 3DS games on the shelf. Of course, this isn't necessarily bad. There's plenty of work to get done, and creative hobbies that are more satisfying than any game. But still.

I'll probably just make a plain hardcore character and play it self-found. Something long-term, something casual -- something that is less likely to irritate me. (No 4-month time pressure, either.)

FWIW I'm really enjoying PoE so...

...Yeah.

I'm not having any of the issues people mention, not performance (I have a solid desktop and game runs fine with shadows/pp off on laptop) nor gearing (I...trade? With Procurement and poe.xyz.)

My only gripe is the damn desync. Makes it unfeasible to play Hardcore, IMO.

Still, I've tried Invasion a bit and I think it's funny that supposedly hardcore players don't want to avoid bosses they can't take on because of build/gear. Real hardcore games like DC:SS will absolutely wreck you if you don't choose your fights.

I'm glad Chris hasn't watered down the game.

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ecogen wrote:

What you can't seem to grasp is that PoE and most arpgs are games with a very low skill ceiling. So "shitty gaming abilities" as you say have pretty much nothing to with it.

And yet some people are way ahead of others, weird huh? In poe the biggest power you can have is knowledge. Knowledge over mechanics, items and the economy make or break if you are successful in this game or not. And some of the lower class players cant accept that and get mad at the game and the devs.

edit: to get this clear: if you cant even manage to break the 70s and blame someone other than yourself for it then go play another game and whine on their forums.

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Imprecision wrote:

I'm not having any of the issues people mention

Other than the one that people most frequently complain about, you mean?

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I'm glad Chris hasn't watered down the game.

When my highest character was not even 70, I didn't think the game had issues, either. Let's see how you feel in a few months.