Invasion players - no need to bash Standard Players

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Dynuel wrote:
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Lailokaenus wrote:
I found the entire thread quite ironic.

OP is angry about some hardcore players feeling a sense of elitism, yet probably a solid 50% of his post is about why he is so elite. You have a great job, work a lot of hours, still kick ass in PoE, blablablabla...and you feel proud of that. And you should! But then you claim to not understand why people who spend all their times playing PoE would feel proud of their accomplishments.

Look, realistically we all know deep down that PoE doesn't matter for shit in the real world. You know it, I know it, the hardcore players saying "scrub this" and "scrub that" every 10 seconds also know it. However, it happens to be the game we are all playing right now.

In my experience, the point of the game is to TAKE YOU OUT OF THE REAL WORLD!

People like to immerse themselves in the game and get good at it for any number of psychological reasons, but one of the more prominent ones is the constant feeling of progression - climbing the ranks, rising up the ladder, whatever terminology you want to use.

What this means is that it doesn't matter if you are a millionaire playboy athlete or an awkward pimply-faced nerd, you are placed on the same footing as everyone else when in the game world. In the game world, no one cares about (or believes) any accomplishments you may have made in the real world. They only care about your progress in the game. And why shouldn't they? You have both decided to play the same game.

Logically, all these people know that you may very well be a playboy-athlete-millionaire with a huge schlong; but in game you are just a low level noob on the easiest game setting. Should they shower you with respect because of what you may be in real life, or is it perhaps understandable that there may be some gentle ribbing there?

I think some empathy would go a long way in this situation. If OP, as he says, has actually been in the mindset where he wants to play 8hrs+ a day on a game like this, I can only imagine that deep down he does understand the mindset but has moved past it and refuses to empathize with that younger self.

"Scrubcore" is just a phrase, don't read into it so much. The sense of "elitism," if that's really what you want to call it, is a completely necessary part of the game.

Does beating the game on standard take the same amount of effort as beating it on invasion? Do you feel as accomplished doing it? From a purely objective perspective, do you think that it is as worthy of in-game respect?

I think the last term I just touched on is an important one to tie my whole post together. In-game respect. In-game respect and out of game respect are two VERY different things. In the game, your life accomplishments, your family, your job, are all irrelevant. I don't know you or anything about your life, so why should I try to take those things into account?

I guess in some idealized world it would be "nice" if everyone gave everyone else playing the game the benefit of the doubt and assumed that even if your character is level 10 on standard that you are their equal or better in every way and deserving of their respect.

Realistically? Fat chance bud. You're playing with teenagers who, as you know, are literally devoting their life to this game. When someone spends so much time on something, they have to take it very seriously. When someone takes it so seriously, they take their progress seriously so they can feel PROUD of it! This feeling of PRIDE in their accomplishments is really what ultimately drives the look-down-the-nose at standard players. We all know being prideful to extreme is not a great virtue, but there it is and there you have it.

If you think long and hard, I think you can probably draw some really profound parallels between your real life accomplishments and pride in them, your feelings towards people who don't have those accomplishments; and the relation of this to the game world. Really OP, you have just moved on to a different game. A game in which the people calling you a scrub in poe are actually the scrubs. Do you really want to tell me you don't look down your nose at all at people, for example, who are still living with their parents and spending 8hrs a day playing this game? Of course you do.

Edit: One final thing I would like to add is that I think it's important to note that the "worst offenders" of this type of behavior, the truly vicious disparaging attacks on people just for being new or playing on standard, are coming from people with pretty serious psychological issues. Remember the awkward pimply-faced nerd I mentioned earlier? If you mentally put yourself in his shoes for a while, I think it becomes easier to understand. These kids probably have a very unrewarding or stressful life at home and really need the game world to develop ANY sense of self esteem at all, as crazy as that sounds. When you don't have a father figure and a good support system, it's easy to feel really shitty about yourself in real life, and the game can take you away from all that and make you into one of the more respected, more "elite," more whatever people. Of course then you will cling to that and probably in an unhealthy way. Anyway, I'm just saying to lighten up a bit and have some compassion. No one who works and has a family is looking down their nose at you for playing standard.



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ancalagon3000 wrote:

Yeah me too, dated hot skinny girls etc. We are the exception

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I'm not that big for skinny. I like them... I guess I'd say "balanced" :P
You have to be realistic about these things.
Logen Ninefingers
Last edited by Bars#2689 on Mar 19, 2014, 12:27:32 PM
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ifritt1 wrote:
This really shouldn't bother you. HC support is great, but the people who believe it's mightier is pure comedy. In a game where a desync, lag, or a moment of space can erase months of work, who is the moron here? If you have copious amounts of hours to throw away great, most of us prefer to build towards something. I'm not bashing HC either i just don't see the amusement. I mean, when you have to devote 80% of your skill points towards survival, it makes the game bland if you ask me. I would question that softcore is more hardcore than hardcore given that there's much more thought put into a unique build.


Anyways if you can't see the comedy behind these people who literally are serious when they gloat about SC being weak and HC being the truth, then I don't know what to tell you.


Everything you said is correct.
Keep PoE2 Difficult.
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donong wrote:
i think anyone with a rational mind would easily come to the obvious conclusion that anyone that feels superior as a person/human for being better at a videogame than another person or more 'hardcore' is truly a pathetic loser with probably a really shitty and sad life,hence the need to cling onto anything that might make them feel better about themselves



This is the end all. If you need to belittle others to feel good about yourself, see above.
Your RNGeesus is a false prophet
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kasub wrote:
It's a loud minority that bashes other people for preferring another gamemode. It's really not worth paying attention to.

Some others just use [Removed by Support] comments in humor while loving leagues like domination/ambush.


I find it ironic that OP's post and my post got censored over mentioning the word "Sc...core(you can guess which word). I mean surely it's not so offensive that mentioning it in passing should be censored, right?..

No idea how this topic got so big either but whatever. Thought the first response summarized the overall attitude.
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kasub wrote:
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kasub wrote:
It's a loud minority that bashes other people for preferring another gamemode. It's really not worth paying attention to.

Some others just use [Removed by Support] comments in humor while loving leagues like domination/ambush.


I find it ironic that OP's post and my post got censored over mentioning the word "Sc...core(you can guess which word). I mean surely it's not so offensive that mentioning it in passing should be censored, right?..

No idea how this topic got so big either but whatever. Thought the first response summarized the overall attitude.


Just abbreviate it to SC. I mean, for Softcore. Right?
But people seeing it will never know if that's exactly what you meant...

*evil*
You have to be realistic about these things.
Logen Ninefingers
Standard players - no need to give a fuck about what inv. players think

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Brelm wrote:
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Read my past comments. I made plenty of arguments. All you do is insult me :)



no you didn't, you said "hurr hurr hurr I think this and this and I have nothing to back me up"

logically, a hardcore, extremely skilled player, will not be playing on the standard leagues. you don't even have logic to back you up, you're just delusional and throwing out wild guesses because you have nothing else.


i believe i saw colby who is a hc streamer playing ambush now.
I've played to ~90 in hc and sc and honestly I prefer sc most of the time. Could really care less what a couple of 12 year olds have to say about it. Odds are the people tossing words like "scrubcore" around haven't even gotten into hardcore maps yet.


Also I love the notion of hc taking "skill"

The only natural "skill" that most hc players have over sc players is the ability to be absolute slugs and play the game 12 hours a day. If that's the kind of "skill" you're proud of..well good luck to you in life.

I won't even get into the fact that the hardcore league ladders are basically a who's who of RMT'ers.
Last edited by DunkMaster#7683 on Mar 19, 2014, 4:20:38 PM
Whats Hardcore about ESC+Logout macro?

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