Invasion players - no need to bash Standard Players

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DexterousGecko wrote:

I'm cool with the hardcore people playing hardcore. Hell, you can insult the scrubcore people too. However, the moment you touch alt-f4 or escape exit, nothing you says about softcore means anything at all. If you play hardcore, play hardcore. If you play hardcore-lite, don't pretend you're playing hardcore.

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Barandis wrote:

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DexterousGecko wrote:

I'm cool with the hardcore people playing hardcore. Hell, you can insult the scrubcore people too. However, the moment you touch alt-f4 or escape exit, nothing you says about softcore means anything at all. If you play hardcore, play hardcore. If you play hardcore-lite, don't pretend you're playing hardcore.

And that's kind of the thing. Alt-F4 is available, and so every single hardcore/invasion player is not really playing hardcore at all. Protest all you like about how you did it "the right way." With precious few exceptions, no, you did not.

I like the idea of hardcore, and when I started playing, I wanted to learn a little about the game and then move to it. And then I discovered that there were forum threads were people discussed how to make an AHK script to send Alt-F4. To save one lousy keystroke, just to make absolutely certain that there was no actual risk at all. I immediately lost my desire to play in either hardcore or (at the time) Nemesis.

There are a number of 13-year-olds who insult softcore players for not being "hardcore" enough. When the definition of "hardcore" is "able to press Alt-F4 really, really fast," then I'm just fine not qualifying.

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allbusiness wrote:

GGG specifically balances around the presence of ALT+F4 so saying that they aren't playing the game properly is kind of hilarious, when Chris has specifically said that he could never envision an ARPG without ALT+F4.

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allbusiness wrote:

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Barandis wrote:

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DexterousGecko wrote:

I'm cool with the hardcore people playing hardcore. Hell, you can insult the scrubcore people too. However, the moment you touch alt-f4 or escape exit, nothing you says about softcore means anything at all. If you play hardcore, play hardcore. If you play hardcore-lite, don't pretend you're playing hardcore.

And that's kind of the thing. Alt-F4 is available, and so every single hardcore/invasion player is not really playing hardcore at all. Protest all you like about how you did it "the right way." With precious few exceptions, no, you did not.

I like the idea of hardcore, and when I started playing, I wanted to learn a little about the game and then move to it. And then I discovered that there were forum threads were people discussed how to make an AHK script to send Alt-F4. To save one lousy keystroke, just to make absolutely certain that there was no actual risk at all. I immediately lost my desire to play in either hardcore or (at the time) Nemesis.

There are a number of 13-year-olds who insult softcore players for not being "hardcore" enough. When the definition of "hardcore" is "able to press Alt-F4 really, really fast," then I'm just fine not qualifying.

GGG specifically balances around the presence of ALT+F4 so saying that they aren't playing the game properly is kind of hilarious, when Chris has specifically said that he could never envision an ARPG without ALT+F4.

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DexterousGecko wrote:

I'm cool with the hardcore people playing hardcore. Hell, you can insult the scrubcore people too. However, the moment you touch alt-f4 or escape exit, nothing you says about softcore means anything at all. If you play hardcore, play hardcore. If you play hardcore-lite, don't pretend you're playing hardcore.

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Barandis wrote:

That's all well and good. Press Alt-F4 all you like. Just don't call it hardcore, because it isn't.

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Barandis wrote:

That's all well and good. Press Alt-F4 all you like. Just don't call it hardcore, because it isn't.

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AntonChigur wrote:

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DexterousGecko wrote:

I'm cool with the hardcore people playing hardcore. Hell, you can insult the scrubcore people too. However, the moment you touch alt-f4 or escape exit, nothing you says about softcore means anything at all. If you play hardcore, play hardcore. If you play hardcore-lite, don't pretend you're playing hardcore.

thats just silly, it's apart of the game and a smart tactic.

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Barandis wrote:

It is a smart tactic. It's a tactic that I use occasionally myself. No one is denying its usefulness.

But I don't play hardcore, and with Alt-F4 available, neither do you.

That being said, let's not lose sight of the point. The point isn't an argument between which is better, hardcore or softcore. There are parts of hardcore (the economy) that are vastly superior to softcore.

The point is that there are people who insult softcore players as being somehow inferior. The converse is not true. If there was a true hardcore mode in this game, a mode where if you got into a fatal position you, you know, died and lost your hardcore character, then perhaps some of it would be forgivable on the basis of hardcore players actually being superior. But given that one can play hardcore and softcore equivalently successfully using exactly the same tactics if one commits to using Alt-F4 liberally, hardcore players haven't accomplished anything that softcore players couldn't.

And that's fine. I have no problem with that. I'm not going to claim that hardcore players are inferior, because they're not. Just don't pretend that you're somehow special in any way because you mistake the meaning of the word hardcore.