This is the biggest slap to the face yet.

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Thorien_Kell wrote:

This is serious bullshit. I mean it. Up to now I've used to defend the developer because I've tried to understand both sides. I was aware that they had to, in a way, tailor the game to the most abusive users but this takes bad design to whole other level.

Destroy old balance to tailor it to newly OP items? With such dreadful legacy of OP items that have made standard disgusting to most of players? Have those guys learned NOTHING? You don't make OP items like that, ever. It's plainly stupid. MinMaxers and RMTers are gonna get them first all again. We have the whole circle of abuse and exploit all again. Have they learned nothing? Really? I cannot believe this.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

Antee you surprise me , You of all people should know that rarity does not affect balance.
Just because something is rare does not at all hinder the benefits it gives to those rich and powerful enough to acquire it.

This is why legacy items are a terrible idea because it does not affect anyone who already has said items. they still have their legacy kaoms Bors and Aegis A's and they are still just as powerful. You yourself quite notably avoid standard . possibly for this reason.

By the same token these new items are powerful, they will be nerfed which then puts forward the obvious question ... why the hell are they still doing this? (making op items balancing them on rarity and then when that shit doesnt work: legacy them).

And it does not work , the Bor And aegis A combo in the last leagues proved that rarity is a garbage balancer. If people want it , they will put the effort in to get it .
Even if it takes 10 hours or 100 hours, it makes no difference to the bottom line

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SL4Y3R wrote:

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Thorien_Kell wrote:

This is serious bullshit. I mean it. Up to now I've used to defend the developer because I've tried to understand both sides. I was aware that they had to, in a way, tailor the game to the most abusive users but this takes bad design to whole other level.

Destroy old balance to tailor it to newly OP items? With such dreadful legacy of OP items that have made standard disgusting to most of players? Have those guys learned NOTHING? You don't make OP items like that, ever. It's plainly stupid. MinMaxers and RMTers are gonna get them first all again. We have the whole circle of abuse and exploit all again. Have they learned nothing? Really? I cannot believe this.

Here's a fun thought. If these items are indeed game breaking, and ruin balance, how will people ever get these items? Meaning, they drop from the hardest content. But you don't need them to beat said content.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

So..... Is this an admittance that VP was game breaking ? Or rather, a weaker version of VP was game breaking.

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chris_wilson Lead Developer 84 points 3 hours ago
Just so you know, these uniques can't drop from any game area that a player has yet entered.

We expect there to be zero in the economy for some time.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

I don't know or care if these items are real. The art is datamined, the flavour text is pretty consistent with GGG's writing and the stats do seem to fit what I'd consider to be rewards for downing the hardest boss this game has ever seen.

The problem is that this concept, which Everquest1 really exemplified with 'epic weapons', is better suited to MMOs where bind-on-acquire or bind-on-equip is considered a good means of balancing items that simply break the majority of the game. Epic weapons required you to do a very, very grueling set of tasks, sometimes taking several months, but once you earned your epic weapon, the entire world was told in chat. Epic weapons were the only animated weapons in all of EQ1 to my experience. They were the shit and the bee's knees and if you had one, you weren't fucking around.

You earn these items by doing what the game tells you must be done. You don't earn them by trading, or by RMTing, or even by being given them.

And that's where PoE is kinda fucked. We clearly have raid-type bosses now, and we clearly have rewards that suit such an achievement as taking down said boss. That's all fine and dandy (even if I feel content that can't be soloed has no place in ARPGs), but when these trophies, these marks of greatness, can be traded, they lose all real value and just become commodities.

If these items are real, I will never know, upon seeing someone wearing them, if that person actually earned the items or simply bought them.

And that's fucked.

I'm not saying PoE should have Binding; it's clear to me that GGG don't want that and fair enough. I am saying that PoE should not have items that are inspired by games that do.

To all those who call me a 'white knight': suck it.

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SilentOppressor wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

So..... Is this an admittance that VP was game breaking ? Or rather, a weaker version of VP was game breaking.

Vaal Pact minus all of it's drawbacks that also applies to mana? That saves you passive point and comes on a crazy pair of gloves? The closest thing these gloves have to a downside is you leech on crit, and only critters were taking VP anyway. This takes an already powerful ability and breaks it beyond sanity.

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wehrberg wrote:

Also, isn't the whole idea of not having ridiculously op'ed uniques the reason why they nerfed so many uniques? So why are they still implementing them, rarity be damned?