There is nothing hardcore about PoE

As the title says, there is nothing hardcore about PoE.

When someone is hardcore in a video game that tells me that they have tremendous playerskill and reactions, there is nothing in PoE that points towards that.

Everything you need in PoE is alot of time to either grind or trade your way to 78 maps, if people think that putting in alot of time in PoE is hardcore then i lost faith in todays gamercommunity. You might aswell say that chinese gold farmers in MMO:s are hardcore, which they are not.

Fanboys need to stop thinking that PoE is a game for hardcore gamers, it is NOT. PoE is a game for people with too much time on their hands, like me. Dont get me wrong, i love PoE to death, but there is nothing in here that is considered hardcore, it took me around 2 and a half weeks to get to 85 and several exalts worth of gear ( to be able to solo 73-74 maps atm ) just by utilizing what tools PoE is giving me ( aka trading ), i havent been particulary lucky with my drops, i have just invested time in trading.

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Hardcore points towards more than average playerskill, reactions, being able to change tactics on the fly and assess the situation to be able to overcome the obstacle that is infront of you.

The old school contra games was only being beaten by hardcore gamers, the silver surfer games was only being beaten by hardcore gamers, abadox and shadow of the ninja was also only being beaten by hardcore gamers.

This is someone with above average playerskill aka hardcore ( yes thats me, no im not advertising myself )=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdLh1emCMFM

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptYjwSmtGU4

The quake 4 grand finals toxic vs fatality shows how someone with the tag hardcore plays=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NLCMDIMjJ4&list=PL878EF6593ED3EA3F


Take this from a old school contra player, most people were not even able to finish the first levels in the contra/ silver surfer games and they just gave up because the gameplay was too HARD.

People in PoE give up before level 90 because it becomes a mind numbing grind and the loot table is poorly optimized. Luckily for PoE i have no problem in grinding like a chinese gold farmer.

Everything in PoE revolves around gearchecking ( aka making sure your gear is up to snuff when it comes to the content your trying to overcome )

Arpg gamers will never be considered hardcore since all it takes is constant gearchecking and time investment, unless game developers suddenly does a 360 and tries to incorporate gameplay scenarios where you have to be on your edge and be able to assess the situations in a couple of seconds and change your tactic to be able to overcome a situation.

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I'm not a wallet warrior wtf :(

Agree with your argument, also think there is nothing wrong, don't really know where the whole hardcore thing came from.

PoE is not hardcore in terms of playing it, it is hardcore about the accesibility and complexity of elements, for instance if you want to start selling effectively you need to find appropriate tools / walkarounds.

Once you spend enough time to learn everything and you have everything set up properly its a walk in a park... or how this saying goes.

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and no one really cares about yours.

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Xzonez wrote:

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Dude. PoE is hardcore at least for people like me. It has subtle build options by using the classic RPG elements of a character card - your stats and effects. That you manipulate to make something you enjoy playing. You can learn stuff about the game's mechanics and throw lots of other things into the mix - Flasks, Auras, Unique's effects - and come up with all sorts of stuff.

So yes - there's stuff you can carefully setup. And then there are your tactics to exploit your builds benefits and to protect your character from the build's weaknesses.

So you get a fairly deep RPG build going on. But then get to deploy that in a more arcade like ARPG play mode. That's kinda nice to see.

I love it, (as you can tell from the things I'm saying). I also find the game quite hard. Not impossible - but hard in places to hold it all together and succeed. It is sufficiently difficult for me to have needed to come to these forums to ask for help!

I'm not a L33t gamer. But my first thoughts playing PoE were that the game was a blast of fresh air and that it was harsh.

You are obviously a pretty f'ing good gamer. Maybe you could try playing some more difficult builds? Like a glass cannon - because this game favours survival over DPS in my opinion - or maybe I'm not good enough to not have massive amounts of surviavability?

Laters!

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Xzonez wrote:

As the title says, there is nothing hardcore about PoE.

When someone is hardcore in a video game that tells me that they have tremendous playerskill

Anyone who decides to play a game in this genre should already know that "skill" is not a factor. Your success is largely determined by spending a ton of TIME playing. Its a big grind, skill is not a major factor and barely even a minor factor. If skill was important then there wouldn't be so many players RMTing like crazy.

I personally think the entire term 'hardcore' can go to hell as far as I am concerned. As well as the growing insistence by everyone to apply that label to something or it isn't taken seriously. Lets be honest, there is nothing hardcore about playing video games. No matter how good at it you are, or how impressive your feat is. I am even saying this as someone who greatly enjoys a lot of the things people would probably term as 'hardcore' gaming. I just really hate the term so much.
Everyone needs to get over it.

Most people know that arpgs have a very low skill ceiling, and there isn't really anything 'hardcore' in any of them. Hardcore is refining your SC2 skills to the point where you can win games on a Korean server. I have never seen a PoE/D3 stream where I think "woah dude, he juked the shit outta that monster! How does he do it?!?!?!". Arpgs are fun for people who like to crush the shit out of monsters and find loot. We can agree here, but there's no reason to tear down the wallet warriors.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and no one really cares about yours.

Hahaha i laughed alittle when i read that, i like you.

You old fart