GZ FranzKafka, First level 100 on nemesis league!

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MonstaMunch wrote:

Slightly curious as to what kind of info you people think we get and how long you think we have it for. The advantage you're talking about doesn't exist and hasn't since the release of Act 3.

Having an accurate skill tree before the general population had (for Nemesis/domination), was one clear example.

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mazul wrote:

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MonstaMunch wrote:

Slightly curious as to what kind of info you people think we get and how long you think we have it for. The advantage you're talking about doesn't exist and hasn't since the release of Act 3.

Having an accurate skill tree before the general population had (for Nemesis/domination), was one clear example.

But we didn't know it would be accurate, in the past it never has been. The skill tree that came at act 3 was almost the complete opposite of what most Alpha people thought it was going to be, if anything we were at a disadvantage for having mislead ourselves with the assumption it was going to be the same.

Alpha is under NDA so there's nothing that can really be said specifically, but I think a lot of people are under the impression that we get lots of time, tools, and info to test things out properly over a decent period of time before they are introduced. That isn't the case. GGG have their own QA team for that stuff.

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MonstaMunch wrote:

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mazul wrote:

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MonstaMunch wrote:

Slightly curious as to what kind of info you people think we get and how long you think we have it for. The advantage you're talking about doesn't exist and hasn't since the release of Act 3.

Having an accurate skill tree before the general population had (for Nemesis/domination), was one clear example.

But we didn't know it would be accurate, in the past it never has been. The skill tree that came at act 3 was almost the complete opposite of what most Alpha people thought it was going to be, if anything we were at a disadvantage for having mislead ourselves with the assumption it was going to be the same.

Alpha is under NDA so there's nothing that can really be said specifically, but I think a lot of people are under the impression that we get lots of time, tools, and info to test things out properly over a decent period of time before they are introduced. That isn't the case. GGG have their own QA team for that stuff.

There was several streamers logging in on their alpha characters and showing a skill tree for its viewers and theorycrafting builds together. This was the same day that Domination and Nemesis went live, but before the real servers were up and before the real skill tree was revealed.

The iteration of the skill tree those streamers were showing were extremely accurate. So accurate that it may have actually been practically identical.

Of course, previous iterations may have been very different, I haven't seen them, so I'll have to take your word for it.

About NDA: League of Legends considers a fair competitive environment so important that they do not put a NDA on the changes done in the beta servers. Evidently, GGG either doesn't think that a fair competitive environment is important enough for 4-month leagues or they haven't had the time to consider.

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mazul wrote:

There was several streamers logging in on their alpha characters and showing a skill tree for its viewers and theorycrafting builds together. This was the same day that Domination and Nemesis went live, but before the real servers were up and before the real skill tree was revealed.

The iteration of the skill tree those streamers were showing were extremely accurate. So accurate that it may have actually been practically identical.

Of course, previous iterations may have been very different, I haven't seen them, so I'll have to take your word for it.

I don't think you got the point I was trying to make. Regardless of whether it actually turned out to be accurate, they didn't know it would be, and based on recent history they had every reason to think it wouldn't be accurate.

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About NDA: League of Legends considers a fair competitive environment so important that they do not put a NDA on the changes done in the beta servers. Evidently, GGG either doesn't think that a fair competitive environment is important enough for 4-month leagues or they haven't had the time to consider.

If there were people streaming from Alpha and they didn't get banned for it, then they had permission from GGG, which essentially means they were doing exactly what you're talking about - allowing players to share information.

Are you secretly upset because you think Alpha people have insider fishing info? Because if so, we don't. We're having to work it out step by step just like everyone else, to ensure no one gets any OP game play advantages from it.

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MonstaMunch wrote:

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mazul wrote:

There was several streamers logging in on their alpha characters and showing a skill tree for its viewers and theorycrafting builds together. This was the same day that Domination and Nemesis went live, but before the real servers were up and before the real skill tree was revealed.

The iteration of the skill tree those streamers were showing were extremely accurate. So accurate that it may have actually been practically identical.

Of course, previous iterations may have been very different, I haven't seen them, so I'll have to take your word for it.

I don't think you got the point I was trying to make. Regardless of whether it actually turned out to be accurate, they didn't know it would be, and based on recent history they had every reason to think it wouldn't be accurate.

Theorycrafting in advance for one possible outcome is an advantage. Like in League of Legends, we don't know if all changes done to the PBE servers will manage to hit the live server, but due to the information given, we have same chance as anyone else to actually prepare for the possibility.

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About NDA: League of Legends considers a fair competitive environment so important that they do not put a NDA on the changes done in the beta servers. Evidently, GGG either doesn't think that a fair competitive environment is important enough for 4-month leagues or they haven't had the time to consider.

If there were people streaming from Alpha and they didn't get banned for it, then they had permission from GGG, which essentially means they were doing exactly what you're talking about - allowing players to share information.

Are you secretly upset because you think Alpha people have insider fishing info? Because if so, we don't. We're having to work it out step by step just like everyone else, to ensure no one gets any OP game play advantages from it.

I couldn't care less about the competitions in Path of Exile. I did for a while, but I stopped caring around the time Nemesis/Domination were implemented. What I care about is people crying that they want fair competitions when they don't seem to realize that even if their suggestion goes through, it will still not be a fair competitive environment.

I also care about how people cry about the way Franzkafka hit 100 and wishing Etup has hit it first, when in fact ETUP is the only one we know who actually broke the rules or at the very least encouraged other people to break them. Evidently the rules doesn't matter to those criers XD.

Yes, a few streamers asked for permission from GGG it seems to provide their viewers with accurate skill tree before it was released in general. I think it was good of GGG to allow that happen. However, they shouldn't have to ask at that point, it should a priori have been allowed, just like it is in League of Legends PBE servers.

That is if they really cared about a fair competitive environment, which they don't seem to do and that's fine XD.

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mazul wrote:

Theorycrafting in advance for one possible outcome is an advantage. Like in League of Legends, we don't know if all changes done to the PBE servers will manage to hit the live server, but due to the information given, we have same chance as anyone else to actually prepare for the possibility.

I don't get it. I must be missing something. They were doing exactly what you're talking about, publicly sharing what was going on to make sure anyone could get the same "advantage". I don't understand what you think they should have done differently.

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I couldn't care less about the competitions in Path of Exile. I just care about fishing.

Me too bro, me too <3

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Angryweasel wrote:

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Worldbreaker wrote:

In my opinion this bug/glitch is affecting the economy and should result in bans. Guild Wars 2 people were banned for buying items from the vendor for karma, which wasn't a bug, it was an oversight. People were banned for using an in game feature.

We had a dupe bug here a while ago which caused people to be rolled back.

We had a vendor recipe that was easily abused to achieve a 6L with 0 cost, caused a character to be renamed and a rollback.

This is along those lines, even the people doing it know it isn't right yet they are still doing it. These guys are flying through map content like butter, able to stack a shit ton of magic find and loot at least 3 to 4 times faster than any top tier build. Now people in other leagues are abusing it, and the abusers get rich quick, and get to keep it? Yeah, fuck that.

At least hotfix cast on death to not add bonus damage for the time being...

Doesnt matter now it has been abused for way over a month so it's honestly way to late for that.

They should just fix it at the summoner patch so everyone has a equal chance of being OP until then.

It all just boils downs to GGG not testing enough and being way to slow to pickup on it when people are abusing it.

I hope they learned their lesson from this and hopefully they will word it out to us so we know that looking for bugs to abuse should not be the first option in a league. Or at least setup some rules because obviously when you can clear maps 2-3 times as fast as the fastest spec out there it's a serious liability for the league and for everyone who wanted a fair race.

this is highly fallacious(the part about 2-3x clear speed) - try a party with 5 45k dual strikers and one split arrow voltaxic character shock stacking everything. That setup is almost as fast as cod summoner. Just killing bosses is slower - and obviously finding voltaxic players is more difficult from the absurd gear cost and the fact that no armor characters rarely make it to the later levels in hc.

There are reasons why I was exping faster than every group that I know of before I started playing with CoD summoners =)

Why you haf to be mad? Universe so big and you so small.

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mazul wrote:

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Angryweasel wrote:

fair race.

Will never happen. They allow alpha insider information

(Edit: although fair short-term races are possible, but 4 month nope)

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Nephalim wrote:

He means an alpha member leaks information to a non alpha. that non alpha uses that information to gain a fair advantage.

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MonstaMunch wrote:

Slightly curious as to what kind of info you people think we get and how long you think we have it for. The advantage you're talking about doesn't exist and hasn't since the release of Act 3. If there was an advantage and someone was seen to be exploiting it instead of reporting it, I'm fairly sure they would be booted from Alpha.

Example: Nerfs on Kaom's heart leak for a handful of players waaaaaaaaaay before Chris announced it for the first time on announcements. We could see shops increase their KH prices from a day to another without reading anything pointing out any nerfs, they have probably bought as many KH as they could, i would not be surprised to hear of 15+ Kaoms hearts player(s) possessions.
Buy 15 KM for 35EX = ~500EX and sell them for 100EX(actual market price is higher) = ~1500EX
1000 EX'ish profit!

MonstaMunch + fishing = path of lies. Now replace 'fishing' with random words.
Edit: Big eyes :O

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FranzKafka wrote:

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Just be honest with us dude. If you worked out how to fish and that's the real secret to how you got to 100 so quick, we want to know about it >.>

Also, grats ;)

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MonstaMunch wrote:

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mazul wrote:

Theorycrafting in advance for one possible outcome is an advantage. Like in League of Legends, we don't know if all changes done to the PBE servers will manage to hit the live server, but due to the information given, we have same chance as anyone else to actually prepare for the possibility.

I don't get it. I must be missing something. They were doing exactly what you're talking about, publicly sharing what was going on to make sure anyone could get the same "advantage". I don't understand what you think they should have done differently.

What they should have done differently: remove NDA from all balance changes (even those through introduction of new items) done in the beta servers. That way, next time something comes around, there is no permission to ask, alpha players can just share immidietely.


That's how League of Legends PBE server work (beta server) and it is very good for keeping a fair competition. (Assuming there is enough alpha players willing to share the information, may not be necessarily true for such a small game as Path of Exile)

Currently I just know that alpha players had access to a very accurate skill tree long before the public knew and only after some time did they get permission to share them publically.

What would have happened if none of the alpha players would have asked for permission? They shouldn't need to ask for permission there.