You guys know rampant RMT abuse comes from a shit economy, right?

This has probably been touched on already, but it certainly helps that orbs have much more meaning than something like gold. IE, you consume them to create vs you hoard to purchase. Not that you can't hoard in this game to purchase too, but at least you have the option of using the orbs for something other than buying shit or mindlessly repairing armor and weapons or buying a stack of health pots. I would argue that this increases demand for orbs and is a decent attempt at dealing with "currency overflow". Prices will still continue to rise, but I'd argue this has helped and is helping stem the tide of "1k exalts for a lioneye's glare."

I just find it interesting that a game designed by a person that use to run his own RMT site and has a degree in Economics would be designed in a way to end up being a absolute godsend to RMT sites. And to also be completely opposed to a league that would remove about 90% of any RMT in that league.

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BuDiu wrote:

dude gold is the exact same thing. Except one type of "currency aka gold" buys everything you could possibly need instead of buying different types of orbs. And most games offer all types of layers that you are talking about...


Also lets say you COMPLETELY remove all layers.

Nothing in the entire game is tradable. There is no gold etc. Everything has to be archived by playing the game and doing missions for example.

Guess what the people who RMT will do? They will pay the same RMT companies to instead of giving 100 exalted orbs, just play their character until what they reach the progress point they want.

Its the player mentality, not the system that is broken.

gold is not the exact same thing , gold is a unified currency , you could 'nt buy more gold directly with gold. you could not buy 11 million gold with 10 million gold.

you can definitly buy 35 chaos for 1 exa and then sell for 1 exa for 36 chaos. that is basically buying gold .. with gold.


you are taking this too extreme mate, chill out
your view is both inaccurate and over the top

we dont need to remove trading , no one asked that
what we want is to remove the loop holes in trading
we dont want to remove currency , no one asked that
what we want is to remove the loop holes in the currency system

and only a small number of people would pay for a leveling service thats a completely difference subset because paying some one to play the game for you pretty much defeats the purpose of playing.

buying items in rmt allows you to better enjoy the game.

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velrac wrote:

I just find it interesting that a game designed by a person that use to run his own RMT site and has a degree in Economics would be designed in a way to end up being a absolute godsend to RMT sites. And to also be completely opposed to a league that would remove about 90% of any RMT in that league.

Fast, everybody, get your tinfoil hats.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

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BuDiu wrote:

dude gold is the exact same thing. Except one type of "currency aka gold" buys everything you could possibly need instead of buying different types of orbs. And most games offer all types of layers that you are talking about...


Also lets say you COMPLETELY remove all layers.

Nothing in the entire game is tradable. There is no gold etc. Everything has to be archived by playing the game and doing missions for example.

Guess what the people who RMT will do? They will pay the same RMT companies to instead of giving 100 exalted orbs, just play their character until what they reach the progress point they want.

Its the player mentality, not the system that is broken.

gold is not the exact same thing , gold is a unified currency , you could 'nt buy more gold directly with gold. you could not buy 11 million gold with 10 million gold.

you can definitly buy 35 chaos for 1 exa and then sell for 1 exa for 36 chaos. that is basically buying gold .. with gold.


you are taking this too extreme mate, chill out
your view is both inaccurate and over the top

we dont need to remove trading , no one asked that
what we want is to remove the loop holes in trading
we dont want to remove currency , no one asked that
what we want is to remove the loop holes in the currency system

and only a small number of people would pay for a leveling service thats a completely difference subset because paying some one to play the game for you pretty much defeats the purpose of playing.

buying items in rmt allows you to better enjoy the game.

lol... you are telling me you cant trade 11k gold for 12k gold in a trade screen? because im pretty sure you can. You can also buy an armor for 11k gold and sell for 12k gold. Same exact concept because the armor becomes currency.

What i gave was a very basic example to demonstrate how RMT will NEVER go away at the fundamental level and if you cant see that, you missed the entire point of that comment.

Im not taking it hard, im having a constructive argument on the subject. You also skipped some posts and simply quoted a few parts that can be misunderstanding if you dont see the point they were making and take it out of context.

If you think only a small playebase would pay for a leveling job, you also have no clue on the subject. Power leveling is a multi million dollar industry in many games.

And when you claim it defeats the purpose of playing, so does buying currency. The idea behind power leveling is not to miss on playing the game, but to skip to the END GAME content witch is where most players want to be at. You again COMPLETELY missed the point and took it out of context.

Buying items in RMT allows you not to only better enjoy the game, it allows you to access end content faster. Like buying the best armor in the game will allow to to at least get further in terms of end game content. Witch is the same exact purpose of RMT leveling.

Gold is the exact same thing in terms of its a "currency". Obviously US dollar and Brasilian Real, are not the "SAME EXACT THING". One is from brazil one is from US, they look different, one can buy some stuff the other cannot. But they are the same exact thing in the classification of "currency".

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Faendris wrote:

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velrac wrote:

I just find it interesting that a game designed by a person that use to run his own RMT site and has a degree in Economics would be designed in a way to end up being a absolute godsend to RMT sites. And to also be completely opposed to a league that would remove about 90% of any RMT in that league.

Fast, everybody, get your tinfoil hats.

I'm pretty sure this thread comes with them as standard lol.

But just to clarify I know RMT will always exist to some extent and as salty said I don't want there to be no economy, trade, etc etc, GGG just needs to reduce the opportunities rmt have to exploit the economic weaknesses in this game.

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BuDiu wrote:

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i said directly , your example uses an item whose value is in gold.

that is currency - item - currency


what im talking about is currency - currency - currency

where you literally buy 11 million gold with 10 million gold with no items nothing just flat up cash for cash.

that is what currency flipping in poe is , rmt traders literally printing money out of thin air by trading money for more money .


with the example with items its a gamble because people might not want your item for the mark up.

where as currency - currency is still currency no real risk you still have all your money.

Sadly there aren't many if ANY solutions to fixing RMT.

The only 2 solutions are remove a certain thing from game OR make a certain thing bound on account. And we all know what other tons of problems those 2 solutions can create.

Increase drop rates for exaltes and eternals? It will simply make the price of current items go inflate. No fix there from this solution.

Add a recipe for eternal / exalts? Same exact problem as above, It will simply make prices inflate due to tsunami of eternal / exalts flooding the economy.

People just need to understand that 36 chaos at this point down the league, its just how temp league economy will work.

Just like how chaos are much more valuable at the start of the league compared to an exalt.

Again, just like how prices of things can fluctuate like crazy when the league nears its end. (reason being, everything will be dumped in SC / HC).

Those chaos to exalt rates will always fluctuate based on their need at any given point in time on a temporary league.

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Teridax wrote:

Every other online game has an economy without the level of RMT in PoE.

That is where all credibility is lost.

If an online game is popular...

If it has an economy at all....

and if it has come out in recent years....

Then it has a high lvl of RMTs going on.

dont be fooled into thinking POE has any more RMT than any other game.


all online games with an economy have RMT, d2, d3, wow are prime examples. tbh it doesnt bug me much at all. i just turn off trade chat unless i NEED to buy/sell something.