Development Manifesto - Desync

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Shagsbeard wrote:

We've gone quite some time without a desync post... why stir the pot?

to "remember" ppl that desync exist?


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elwindakos wrote:

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Shelrabbi wrote:

This is so insulting. It's like Chris thinks we're children who have never played video games before.

First, if rubber banding occurs as a result of a needed correction due to desync, then rubber banding is a part of desync.

Second, he included MOBAs and RTS games, the two games types easiest to sync and that have nothing to do with an action RPG. But you know what else is an action RPG? Every MMO ever made. Can you imagine the hell that would would come from players if 25 man raids with 30 monsters on the screen at once in the middle of a giant raid and a hugely difficult encounter just started jumping all over the place? If MMOs can do it than so can PoE, just like D3 does, just like Warframe does. It's not, as Chris would have us believe, a choice between having no sync issues and being an easily hackable game.

Third, this was originally written some time ago and nothing has changed.

Fourth, the solution already exists in the game. They've given us a /oos command which instantly resyncs you. So all they have to do is send that command automatically every 100ms or so. Except that would cost a ton of money for more bandwidth and server systems (network stuff) to handle the increased traffic/requests.

And lastly, the best game to compare this one to is D3. D3 does have rubber banding, but it sends you back to somewhere safe and it sends you back in time. Rather than just moving you into the middle of 7 monsters, it puts you where you were before the monsters and you came into contact. And it never rubber bands the monsters, so you're never suddenly surrounded. So it's not just a matter of rubber banding us, it's about including logic in the rubber banding programs that keeps us from dying. No one would care about desync if it didn't kill us or stop monsters from being hit.

For all of Chris' insistence that this is just how these things go, there isn't another game that's readily available, let alone one making the money this game is making off micro-transactions, that behaves like PoE does in this respect. So Chris or whoever else, if you're so put upon by mean old technology and it's difficulties, explain to us why every other action RPG and MMO gaming company of any repute has overcome the same problems.

/rant off

NOTE: Sorry if I bumped this up, I'm not trying to start an argument. I got to this link from another site after hearing about the manifesto.

You had me logged through my phone to respond.that means yoy got me angry.
You apparentlt never played any online game.Cause if you had the little 60 ms of those games you can hopefully have vs one of 30
Ms is game defining.ill explain.In that kind of games if you are equally in gear and skills, the one with the less lag will always win
win since its actions registers faster.games also like those you are reffering,lag horribly yet you wouldn't had so much problem cause conviniently putting cast bars to make predictuons better.

Want to compare it with D3?really?in the gane where everything relys on client=cheaters paradice?
The game that where notthing never misses its target?
The game that goes slowpoke to cover its network faultness and whn somethings goes faster(monk)shows its rubberbanding?you sure want poe to become d3?

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Games using client action prediction like ours run into exactly the same sync issues that we do unless they cheat on certain aspects of the simulation. For example, it's common for Action RPGs to do some combination of the following:

Entities can hit each other from a long distance away
There's no chance to hit - all hits occur for sure
Various speed/collision concessions that make it easy to speedhack and/or walk through monsters with modified clients
Attack animations cannot be interrupted (i.e. what we treat as Stun).

Unfortunately, we don't want to do any of those things! They each individually ruin part of the hardcore experience: by allowing combat/movement cheats, preventing accuracy from existing as a mechanic, prevent stunlock, preventing people getting blocked in, etc