boring :S

As a long time solo self-found player, I think what this SFL campaign is asking for is kind of silly, and I would guess that a significant proportion of solo self-found players would ignore the proposed league to remain in the existing leagues. So why would GGG do what you're suggesting?

I've seen many arguments on all these threads making this sound like an "us vs them" argument, largely centered around the item progression and game balance being designed for those who trade fully and play the economy. Honestly, I don't agree, but if so what happens to the poor people who like to play MOSTLY self-found and only trade among a small group of close friends? Screwed either way? Or what about those who might change their mind in the future or play a variety of limitations, yet want to keep their stash all in one place...

What self-found players generally need is improvements to the crafting system, map system, more recipes, and more mid-power uniques. That would be great. But this is true of the entire game, not just self-found players, and something GGG is working on anyway. So think things through and stop yelling "Balance the game for me and ignore everyone else!"

Drop-rates? I see nothing wrong with them, ignoring the endless debate about maps themselves which seems to be tweaked every few weeks still anyway. My biggest issue is that Exalted Orb, which could have been a fun cheap currency to play around with, was made so rare you need to think twice about ever applying it. Of the rare orbs, though, it's the only one I think should be ANY more common, this is more motivated by wanting a fun crafting system than a balanced one, and again I don't see why this is a self-found-play only issue.

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thevidon wrote:

+1 for Self Found League with increased orb drop rates.

i Dream about a game/league like PoE without, goldfarmers/spambots/botusers/pay2win/barter2win.
ChrisAlmighty i would like that, yep i keep on dreaming.

I would definitely SFL if there was one. Please consider implementing one GGG.

It looks like GGG has designated this the official thread for any discussion about self found leagues. This thread, which from the first few pages, is perhaps the dumbest conversation about SFL that's yet taken place on these forums. I think that makes it pretty clear that GGG doesn't want to talk about it, and they don't want us to talk about it either. Oh well...

I think this post applies to both game and real life.

First there were people. People created economies because they wanted better quality of life.
Economies grew in a way that each person has to compete against everyone else to have quality of life.

In the end, even though economies are not fulfilling their goal of making people's life better, people still care more about the economy than with people's life.

SCREW THE FCKING ECONOMY!! WHAT MATTERS IN THE END IS PEOPLE!!!

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BolshoiToo wrote:

It looks like GGG has designated this the official thread for any discussion about self found leagues. This thread, which from the first few pages, is perhaps the dumbest conversation about SFL that's yet taken place on these forums. I think that makes it pretty clear that GGG doesn't want to talk about it, and they don't want us to talk about it either. Oh well...

it doesnt matter how I started this thread. I started it as protest. People started discussing here, I don't see what's wrong... yeah my first post has little to due with the matter, I'll grant you that

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DnAngel wrote:

I think this post applies to both game and real life.

First there were people. People created economies because they wanted better quality of life.
Economies grew in a way that each person has to compete against everyone else to have quality of life.

In the end, even though economies are not fulfilling their goal of making people's life better, people still care more about the economy than with people's life.

SCREW THE FCKING ECONOMY!! WHAT MATTERS IN THE END IS PEOPLE!!!

Believers don't often turn their back on their religion.

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TreeOfDead wrote:

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thevidon wrote:

+1 for Self Found League with increased orb drop rates.

+1

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What self-found players generally need is improvements to the crafting system, map system, more recipes, and more mid-power uniques. That would be great. But this is true of the entire game, not just self-found players, and something GGG is working on anyway. So think things through and stop yelling "Balance the game for me and ignore everyone else!"

I agree with much of what you said. But, I certainly haven't seen any indication that GGG is re-tooling the crafting system. All indications are that it's working exactly as they want it to.

I've said before if GGG would simply fix the crafting system (by, y'know, actually making it into a crafting system) then we wouldn't be asking for a SFL in the first place. Basically, I'd like to play this game the same way as I played D2, TQ, TL, TL2, Fate, DS, DS2, etc. etc. I simply want a fun game to play without having to be coerced into trading because the system is set up that way.

SFL isn't asking GGG to balance the entire game around them. We would like a league that is more forgiving to solo self-found play, tho. Ironically, your (and my) suggestion that crafting be re-worked would indisputably balance the game for what you want, and possibly ignore everyone else. So, think things through, eh?