Path of life nodes

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RagnarokChu wrote:

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syrioforel wrote:

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RagnarokChu wrote:

This using this reasoning is completely incorrect, if you guys STILL don't get it. Let me do the math for you.

It cost you 50 ar to get 16.67% EHP increase.

1200 nets you 400% EHP increase

50 ar x 24 = 1200 ar

16.67% x 24 = 400.08% increase

It's the exact same thing, do you not get "less" per all resist you have. D3 just had a better resist curve because in the super nerfed changed state, you can beat mp0 with 200 ar and you can scale it more to do more challenging content.

You do get less per all resist, compared to what you have already. At 600 ar, you have 200% increased EHP. That's 300% of base EHP. So, by adding 600 ar from 0 ar, you triple your EHP.

At 1200 ar, you have 400% increased EHP. That's 500% of base EHP. When you go from 0 ar to 1200 ar, you have multiplied your EHP by a factor of 5.

When you go from 600 ar to 1200 ar, you have gone from 3xbase EHP to 5xbase EHP. That is a multiplicative increase of 5/3. It is well-known that 5/3 is smaller than 3. Therefore, the addition of an extra 600 ar is more effective starting from 0 ar than it is if you were at 600 ar already (going up to 1200 ar).

That is what is meant by getting "less" per all resist at higher levels.

Now, when you go from 0% fire resist to 25% fire resist in PoE/D2, you are increasing your EHP (against fire) from a base level to 4/3 of that base level. That's because you're taking 3/4 as much damage from fire as you would be at 0% resistance.

If you were to then go from 25% fire resist to 50% fire resist, you would be receiving 1/2 as much damage from fire as you would at 0% resistance. Your EHP against fire damage would therefore be 2x the base level.

(2x base), up from (4/3x base), is a multiplicative increase of (3/2). You can again check that (3/2) is a bigger number than 4/3. Therefore, the addition of the extra 25% fire resistance was more effective starting from 25% resist than it was starting from 0% resist.

Um when you go from 600 to 1200 EDP you have 200% EHP and you add another 200% EHP.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

You don't add 200% to 100 health and make 300 health, You have 200 health. If you have 100 health and 400% EHP you have 400 health.

Dafaq?

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syrioforel wrote:

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RagnarokChu wrote:

You don't add 200% to 100 health and make 300 health, You have 200 health. If you have 100 health and 400% EHP you have 400 health.

Dafaq?

OK, so then at 0 EDP, when you have 0% added EHP, you have 0 health. Good luck with that.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

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syrioforel wrote:

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RagnarokChu wrote:

You don't add 200% to 100 health and make 300 health, You have 200 health. If you have 100 health and 400% EHP you have 400 health.

Dafaq?

OK, so then at 0 EDP, when you have 0% added EHP, you have 0 health. Good luck with that.

The graph starts at 50 because it assumes your trying to calculate increased EHP from resist.

In PoE you start a -60 and go to -100%, does that mean you have no or negative health? wtf>

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*sigh*

At some point, I have to just say that you either just don't have the education to understand the math (which isn't particularly difficult), or you're trolling.

Now is that point.

(BTW if you extend the PoE graph to the left it never reaches the x-axis, because it's a graph of 1/(1-x). Go solve 1/(1-x) = 0.)

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RagnarokChu wrote:

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*sigh*

At some point, I have to just say that you either just don't have the education to understand the math (which isn't particularly difficult), or you're trolling.

Now is that point.

(BTW if you extend the PoE graph to the left it never reaches the x-axis, because it's a graph of 1/(1-x). Go solve 1/(1-x) = 0.)

I'm using your logic and apparent misuse of what "EDP" means in gaining EDP at what EDP breakpoint.

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deteego wrote:

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

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deteego wrote:

And other aRPGS also have these mechanics, so overall you are still worse off in PoE. PoE isn't the only game that gives you resistance's to elemental damage

What is your point there??

In PoE, status effects (apart from burning) last longer the less health you have. PoE also has ways to resist that or make you immune. In other aRPGS, you also have ways to resist or make yourself immune to status effects, but you don't have to deal with status effects lasting longer the less health you have.

So my point still stands and its still correct, netwise you are worse off in PoE for having less life in context of status effects

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syrioforel wrote:

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RagnarokChu wrote:

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*sigh*

At some point, I have to just say that you either just don't have the education to understand the math (which isn't particularly difficult), or you're trolling.

Now is that point.

(BTW if you extend the PoE graph to the left it never reaches the x-axis, because it's a graph of 1/(1-x). Go solve 1/(1-x) = 0.)

I'm using your logic and apparent misuse of what "EDP" means in gaining EDP at what EDP breakpoint.

Just... go write down functions for the following:

1) Total EHP as a function of EDP.
2) Total EHP as a function of %-resist.

Go compute d(EHP)/d(EDP), and d(EHP)/d(%-resist), if you know what that means. Or, go put them into wolframalpha and graph them. Look at the shapes. The functions clearly behave differently.

If you can't do that, and aren't willing to listen to someone who can (and really, this is some trivial math), then there's no helping you.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

All resist scales exactly the same it does in PoE and Diablo 3.

75% AR in PoE (you technically have to get 135%) works exactly the same as 75% ar in Diablo (which is 900 AR),

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syrioforel wrote:

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RagnarokChu wrote:

All resist scales exactly the same it does in PoE and Diablo 3.

75% AR in PoE (you technically have to get 135%) works exactly the same as 75% ar in Diablo (which is 900 AR),

In PoE, you get %-resistance directly on your gear.

In D3, you get some other stat, call it "AR", that is then converted to %-resistance by some formula. This formula is constructed such that added EHP is a linear function of AR.

In D3, it is also the case that it requires increasingly more AR added to get the next point of %-resistance. In PoE, this isn't true.

The result is that each point of %-resist you add in PoE is more effective (as a multiplier to your current EHP) than the last, but in D3 each point of AR is less effective than the previous.

If you write down the functions you will see that this is true. If you cannot, I see no point in continuing this discussion.