Barrage - TERRIBLE! Or am I missing something?

Oops double post

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HeroOfExile wrote:

Reave was and IS terrible imo. ^^

not tested barrage yet but i would try it with a power crit wander.

Reave is pretty fucking hardcore if you build for it. Also I'd like to see the math with higher level gems, otherwise we dont really know how it scales. For example, Storm Call is pretty shitty till about level 14, then it gets silly.

That's why I speculated that it needs an increase to the number of projectiles as it levels or it is pretty subpar for everything but CoC

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Natharias wrote:

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Zealflare wrote:

That's what everyone is saying. It has potential for CoC focused build.

But as a stand-alone skill it just does not compete with the likes of Frenzy/Power Siphon for single target physical attacks. Having mechanics (spread in a small cone vs fire in a straight line) that limits its effective range does not help, either.

I have a physical point blank ranger and RoA acts as a much more effective single target than Barrage is. That is pretty darn sad.

You are making it sound like Barrage sucks. Barrage isn't meant to be used for anything other than a Cast on Crit build.

Frenzy and Power Siphon are much like rares, while things like Barrage are more like uniques. The majority of the uniques are only build enablers, which use other gems and items as a source of damage. Facebreaker, Quillrain, and Chaos Inoculation are examples of this.

It's not always about the raw damage from a skill, any experienced player knows that.

You sound confused. I said I, and many others, see it as a CoC type skill, and that it sucks as a main single target ability to the likes of Frenzy/Siphon due to its mechanics and damage effectiveness/speed penalty. Your statement does not change that, and since when was it stated that it was created purely for CoC? I don't see that anywhere on the 1.0.3 video, I don't see that in the patch notes, and I certainly don't see any GGG comment stating that it was created with CoC in mind.

If anything, it was supposed to be a tribute to D2's Strafe, which I don't ever remember having anything to do with CoC. You can have an opinion like everyone else, but don't make that as some kind of fact. It isn't. Feel free to find a GGG quote that actually states this.

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shroudb wrote:

you are wrong about lgoh:

when they changed damage effectivness on attack gems and made it "deal x less damage" and etc they also reverted the change that made lgoh to scale on effectivness.

Ah yes, you are right about LGOH. Just did a test myself.

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shroudb wrote:

double strike effectvness:
70% *2 hits =140%
heavy strike 150%+ secondary effect.

p.e. with double strike (deals 70% damage) a 20/20 lgoh would give 54*2= 108 hp.

Double Strike + Multistrike = 54*6 = 324

Heavy Strike has knockback and will force you to move each time you hit the monster out of range. Double Strike is just much more consistent and overally higher DPS. AND it is a multi-hit skill, up to 6 times with multistrike.

My point on double strike still stands, as do your point on LGOH.

Heavy Strike has a nasty stun, it shouldnt be overlooked.

Let's try keep this about Barrage and it's directly comparable skills (ranged attacks for wands/bows)

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LightningWarp1 wrote:

Let's try keep this about Barrage and it's directly comparable skills (ranged attacks for wands/bows)

Go grind levels on the gem so we can see how it scales.

I have to work unfortunately or I would be doing just that