Will GGG cater casuals

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Metronomy wrote:

We will know that the game is hard enough when people are asking for help to kill hillock

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lethal_papercut wrote:

To all those saying D3 wasn't hard, pls post your D3 profile so we can see that you beat Inferno Hardcore before the nerfs...I am willing to bet that noone here did that.

D3 inferno at launch was 10x harder than POE is or will be come OB. Yes it was badly balanced but it was hard as hell. Even with godly gear it was no pushover.

POE is balanced better & isn't as gear dependent but it is without a doubt 'easier' to get to POE's endgame than it was in D3.


As for D3 casuals I would speculate that they no longer exist, the only ppl still playing D3 are hardcore fans of the game & probably have an obscene amount of hours played in that game, all the casuals already moved onto the next big thing or whatever their favorite caster is streaming.

Playing this game doesn't make you 'hardcore' & playing D3 doesn't make you 'casual' & to be quite frank anyone who thinks like that is probably quite childish & immature.

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knac84 wrote:

There is a misconception with what 'difficulty' concept means here. What was difficult about D3 inferno was that it was pretty much impossible to gear to beat it (obviously, because the whole loot system was designed around the concept of the AH/RMAH). What you have to compare is difficulty at relatively similar gear levels at their matched difficulties (in D3 that would have been good rolled ilvl62-63 items for completing Act 3/4 Inferno, the problem is that getting these items was pretty hard, even Kripp was using some crappy items in HC when he beat the game, ofc being the HC community much smaller and so the market).

Off course gearing up is much better (easier) in PoE because how the itemization and drops work than for D3 at launch (that was changed so is way easier to gear with self found stuff and beat the game now, which was a good change). Kripp has been mentioned, in his stream he has said PoE & D3 difficulty at launch are pretty similar at least for melee, btw in his alpha streaming last 2 days the highest map he did was lvl 70 (highest possible 75) and had like 10 close calls (some very close) while using pretty decent gear (much better to what he used to beat D3 HC Inferno in comparison, relatively speaking).

You could consider 'completing' PoE with a character is to achieve lvl 100 and being able to beat any (or almost any) map level with any affix (which you pretty much will be forced to if you want to do it in a reasonable time). Difficulty will have to be checked in OB when doing high lvl maps with high end gear, and the risks that poses. I pretty much bet that PoE at that point will be at least as hard (if not more) as D3 at launch, because even now you would still have risk of dying if you make a mistake. Consider that contrary to D3 launch, you can find appropriate gear to complete higher content while you level up (this was one of the highest flaws initially in D3), and hence both the market will be saturated faster, and even with only self found gear gameplay style (which this game caters better than D3 due to no AH and inefficient market) you will be able to gear faster to complete higher content.

But having appropriate gear does not mean the game is easier or harder, if gear does not match the difficulty you are playing it's just bad design (or you being a terrible player, or having terrible luck which is a small possibility), which is what happened with D3. Off course, try to complete PoE under geared, and come here and say the game is very easy; you will die to the first white mob you encounter in a map. But that's not the point, the game is not harder or easier because of that, it's harder because the risk of death while using appropriate gear).

If anything group play trivializes difficulty a bit, and that's what they should check and work out. then is the question of a few OP skills/builds which make the game way easier compared to any other builds, but that's why we still are in a beta, to find better balance.

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Dudebag wrote:

Wow d3 players don't like to farm. But demand same gears/progressions as hardcores.

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It has taking me months to where I could efficiently farm mp10. so yes it can be a challenge when you want it, and for the casual players still have normal inferno to where they can play if wanted.