SRSLY! Whats going on with poe end game!!

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kaross579 wrote:

Here's the thing about maps - it's not just about good management, there's a pretty large amount of luck involved.

Before release when I was mapping a lot, I followed the Map Management resource. I had no problem getting and sustaining a 69 pool, but 70+ was always a huge problem. I mazed all of my Tunnel and Overgrown Shrines, alch'd the rest, and even chaos'd it the IIQ sucked too much or the mods were impossible. I'd even chisel/regal the mazes sometimes. But I was never able to have enough 70s and 71s to not have to go do 69s.

What's missing here?

Oh to hear the lucky people, you just arent doing it right, bro. Gotta learn to manage those maps and roll em correctly. I mean, the way you are doing it, you are pretty much wasting them and just running them white. /sarcasm

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Destructodave wrote:

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kaross579 wrote:

Here's the thing about maps - it's not just about good management, there's a pretty large amount of luck involved.

Before release when I was mapping a lot, I followed the Map Management resource. I had no problem getting and sustaining a 69 pool, but 70+ was always a huge problem. I mazed all of my Tunnel and Overgrown Shrines, alch'd the rest, and even chaos'd it the IIQ sucked too much or the mods were impossible. I'd even chisel/regal the mazes sometimes. But I was never able to have enough 70s and 71s to not have to go do 69s.

What's missing here?

Oh to hear the lucky people, you just arent doing it right, bro. Gotta learn to manage those maps and roll em correctly. I mean, the way you are doing it, you are pretty much wasting them and just running them white. /sarcasm

Just to make sure I understand what you are saying here.

Say rolling a 70 map with 79 % IQ is not the way to go? Because that is what I have been doing (obviously not 79 % all the time, but aiming for 60 +) for the 69-70 maps I have ran and you know what - got shit to show for. Please - be my guest here - let us know what you do that some of us dont. I mean, we cant buy doped currency, hence making overlarged horny maps just waiting to explode loot in ya face.

When you're only given one die to roll, and only rolls of 5 or 6 count as a reward, while 3 and 4 break even, then yes, that's a pretty luck-driven situation.

When you're given twenty (or more) dice to roll, and only rolls of 5 or 6 count as a reward, while 3 and 4 break even, then the amount of luck involved is drastically reduced. If you could do something which transforms 4 from break-even to reward, that type of strategy will give you a relatively constant, rather luck-resistant payout.

Running a single map is a luck-driven experience. Running many maps isn't.

Kind of like people who say poker is a game of luck. It isn't.

maps have never been this maintainable. stop your goddamned whining.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Kind of like people who say poker is a game of luck. It isn't.

There are people who say that because they have no grasp of probability, and are wrong. And then there are people who truly understand the game and say the same thing, whom are correct.
When i have the cards, no amount of skill is going to beat me.
But as for the issue at hand, its not for us to decide. If maps come to easy, it ends up cheapening them.
Regardless of what GGG does or doesnt do, ppl will complain. Its more a matter of the vagueries of human emotion than any actual misdeed of GGG.

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chrnyr wrote:

Just to make sure I understand what you are saying here.

Say rolling a 70 map with 79 % IQ is not the way to go? Because that is what I have been doing (obviously not 79 % all the time, but aiming for 60 +) for the 69-70 maps I have ran and you know what - got shit to show for. Please - be my guest here - let us know what you do that some of us dont. I mean, we cant buy doped currency, hence making overlarged horny maps just waiting to explode loot in ya face.

My understanding is that prior to this patch, Maze compatible maps were basically Maze or go home. No amount of IIQ could match doubling the size of the map (or more.)

That said, many maps weren't all that great with Maze, especially in the 70 pool, so eh. I also ran like 5 Temples in a row with Maze and got jack shit out of it, so... glad that I don't have to waste so many Chaos or Alch/Scours anymore on that.

I gave up on maps and started a new char in Domination league. Finished normal mode and not one act Boss drop yellow item lol This game is just getting more and more annoying :( Too bad since it has potential.

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Nephalim wrote:

maps have never been this maintainable. stop your goddamned whining.

You shouldn't have to worry about RNG maintaining them; you should have to worry about being able to do them; aka a proper end-game. Not some RNG luck-based hope I get a high level map to plow for xp system.

Really, the whole system is backwards and stupid and makes zero sense. There is really nothing hard about plowing maps except GETTING them. Is that not an issue?

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SkyCore wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Kind of like people who say poker is a game of luck. It isn't.

There are people who say that because they have no grasp of probability, and are wrong. And then there are people who truly understand the game and say the same thing, whom are correct.
When i have the cards, no amount of skill is going to beat me.
But as for the issue at hand, its not for us to decide. If maps come to easy, it ends up cheapening them.
Regardless of what GGG does or doesnt do, ppl will complain. Its more a matter of the vagueries of human emotion than any actual misdeed of GGG.

I would rather get the maps easier, and they be harder, than to be frustrated not getting them. I dont see how making it easier to get them cheapens the experience. Its just another place to farm on the same tileset with the same bosses already present in the game. There is literally nothing new or exciting about maps. Nothing.

Being frustrated grinding 67s or something else does not make an endgame good. Having to buy high level maps for them to give no return, is not good. I dunno, I would much rather maps be a gear check than a RNG check. AKA, make them harder to do then harder to get.

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Destructodave wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

maps have never been this maintainable. stop your goddamned whining.

You shouldn't have to worry about RNG maintaining them; you should have to worry about being able to do them; aka a proper end-game. Not some RNG luck-based hope I get a high level map to plow for xp system.

Really, the whole system is backwards and stupid and makes zero sense. There is really nothing hard about plowing maps except GETTING them. Is that not an issue?

Im all for nerfing the high dps aoe skills to make end game more challenging. Good luck getting the rest of the community to accept that.