Is multiboxing alowed?

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

That may be true, I don't really remember what exactly was said. Either way, as TehHammer as said above, 1 key press is 1 key press no matter how many times it is replicated. I press a key, and in each client, that key is pressed, it doesn't press a combination of keys, it doesn't repeat the key, and it doesn't do anything gameplay wise other than using the ability I pressed the key for.

I'll quote Webster:

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automatically controlled operation of an apparatus, process, or system by mechanical or electronic devices that take the place of human labor

The beginning keystroke isn't automated, I understand that. But you're automating the labor of the rest of the clients you'd be playing on. You're directly removing the labor it would take to press the keystrokes with all the rest of the clients via a program. That's what the program is for, that's why you have to use the program.

What apparatus, process or system is being "automatically controlled"? There is no "automatic" control. A user is MANUALLY controlling it.

What he is talking about that 1 action per click/button press is allowed, not more. If you would clone/repeat the action it would be a higher action rate per click and therefore an automated process.

And what I'm saying is that isn't automation. He's making up his own definition to suit himself. Is a human pedaling a bike automation? I'm turning one gear that has a chain turning the other. That's not automation. If you hook up an engine to pedal for you, THAT'S automation.

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TehHammer wrote:

And what I'm saying is that isn't automation. He's making up his own definition to suit himself. Is a human pedaling a bike automation? I'm turning one gear that has a chain turning the other. That's not automation. If you hook up an engine to pedal for you, THAT'S automation.

I'm needing to move a home.html file from one server, to 200 newly created empty servers. It's the same file being moved, and if I was moving the file from one server to another server then I'd simply copy over the file by manually putting in the commands. Instead, I write a script that copies this off to all servers, duplicating the process against multiple different "systems". This would be automating the process as it would be saving me the labor of making the same instruction happen on multiple different machines.

I would still need to do work with the process, the input command to run the initial script, as well as the setting up of the initial script. But after I've made the initial input, the script takes over and projects the same command out to multiple different systems to automate this process, and thus save me a load of work.

This is the exact same concept that's being used by a 3rd party multi-boxing software. You're giving one instruction, and it's automating the process by mocking that one input instruction and sending it out to multiple different machines so that you do not have to do this manually. When something isn't manual, it's automatic.

Welcome to scripting 101. That's the reason we have languages like perl/powershell/tcl/etc. To automate processes exactly like this.

I've yet to hear why you need a 3rd party application if this is completely manually controlled by a player? Because it's not, that's why.

Writing a script to perform labor (moving a file) repeatedly is automation. Relaying a manually inputted command across multiple machines is not. Read the definition that you posted again. The process is moving a file. The automation is the script. Now if someone is manually pressing the button on the keyboard and the keyboard signal gets sent to 5 systems, where's the automation? Where's the process?

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Elynole wrote:

I've yet to hear why you need a 3rd party application if this is completely manually controlled by a player? Because it's not, that's why.

Who says you do? What if I've got 5 wireless receivers on computers all tied to the same keyboard and mouse? Where's the 3rd party application?

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TehHammer wrote:

Writing a script to perform labor (moving a file) repeatedly is automation. Relaying a manually inputted command across multiple machines is not. Read the definition that you posted again. The process is moving a file. The automation is the script. Now if someone is manually pressing the button on the keyboard and the keyboard signal gets sent to 5 systems, where's the automation? Where's the process?

How do you think this third party application inputs commands across multiple machines? magic? lol. It uses scripting/programming to automate this across multiple different machines.

Did you press the key for each of the clients? No.

Where did the other keystrokes come from for those clients? A script.

Is this automation? Yes.

Come on guys, admit it, you're not going to be replicating keystrokes anyhow. You're going to be macroing, mapping some of the keys on your main keyboard to issue multiple commands to one or more of the remote clients.

But this is all beating a dead horse. Those of us opposed to multiboxing and all forms of automation up to and including bots, have to trust in GGG to do their best to make it as difficult as possible for anyone to gain any sort of advantage by doing so. There is no way to prevent them from trying and there is no convincing them that it is unethical.

Peace, out.

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Elynole wrote:

How do you think this third party application inputs commands across multiple machines? magic? lol. It uses scripting/programming to automate this across multiple different machines.

It uses a script that replicates a MANUALLY entered command. You really have no clue what automation is, stop pretending you do. Read Webster's definition, that you posted, again.

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Did you press the key for each of the clients? No.

What makes this automation? Your own definition and only your own definition.

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Where did the other keystrokes come from for those clients? A script.

What if I can do this without a script? Without any form of replication from software? Because it can be done.

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Is this automation? Yes.

No, it isn't. If a user does nothing, nothing happens. If a user pushes a 'G' a 'G' is outputted. That's manual, not automation. It doesn't matter how much it's duplicated, it's not automation if a user controls exactly what is done.


For the record, I don't multibox, I've never multiboxed, I don't intend on multiboxing, ever. I think it's cheating and shouldn't be done. But you are completely wrong with your definition of automation.

I'm tired of arguing about this. You keep going back to the one keystroke you push, which I've stated is a manual process. But that sets of a chain of events within the application you use for this(or hardware for that matter) that automates that key press across multiple different clients. You're using it for ease-of-use to do something that otherwise, without hardware or software you would have to manually press the keys for each of the additional clients. That's the definition of automation.

I'd have to ask my employer if I know automation, they seem to think I do as software automation and data manipulation is the entirety of my job. haha.

Pick up a book on scripting. It'd suit you well.