Is multiboxing alowed?

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

Automation would be carrying out any sort of task with no user interaction. COpying keystrokes to multiple windows is not automation and it never has been.

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Elynole wrote:

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

Automation would be carrying out any sort of task with no user interaction. COpying keystrokes to multiple windows is not automation and it never has been.

I'm not sure you understand what automation is.

Robots are considered apart of an automation setup, just because you have to assemble the robot doesn't mean that all the work there after isn't done by the robot.

Assembly lines are automation, they still have to be setup.

That third party application that you use to project keystrokes to multiple monitors, THAT'S automation. It uses something called scripting...not to get into a history of computers or computer languages but...scripting was specifically designed for automation.

When you press a keystroke, via scripts, it automates those keystrokes to X number of screens. Otherwise you'd have to keystroke for each one of the screens.

Without the scripts to automate this process for you, you wouldn't be multi-boxing because it would be too cumbersome. You're allowing the computer to do X number of keystrokes for you and thus automating the process.

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

Oh, so when I play 1 client, on 1 monitor and I press a key, that's automation?

Please, use logic and think before making a post. You just described all of computing, everything you do is automation. The fact is though in terms of video games, automation is playing the game for you. Copying keystrokes is not that, you are playing every client you press a key and the relevant key is pressed in game, how many clients there is does not matter, it's only the same as pressing a key in 1 client.

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Elynole wrote:

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

Oh, so when I play 1 client, on 1 monitor and I press a key, that's automation?

Please, use logic and think before making a post. You just described all of computing, everything you do is automation. The fact is though in terms of video games, automation is playing the game for you. Copying keystrokes is not that, you are playing every client you press a key and the relevant key is pressed in game, how many clients there is does not matter, it's only the same as pressing a key in 1 client.

When you play 1 client, on 1 monitor and you press 1 key and that 1 key is transferred then you are still manually giving a 1:1 input.

When you play 1 client, on 1 monitor and you press 1 key and that 1 key is scripted out to multiple clients, then you've now automated a process that otherwise, without the use of 3rd party applications and scripts, would be impossible.

If it was the same, then why do you use the 3rd party application in the first place? Exactly.

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

Oh, so now the argument is about whether or not having multiple active windows is allowed? I can multi-box through multiple computers and a piece of hardware to copy keyboard and mouse input, if that pleases you.

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Elynole wrote:

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

Oh, so now the argument is about whether or not having multiple active windows is allowed? I can multi-box through multiple computers and a piece of hardware to copy keyboard and mouse input, if that pleases you.

With most things computing you can use either a hardware or a software piece - It doesn't change the fact of what it's doing. At any rate, ignorance is bliss. I'm sure the ToS will go through some changes when OB hits to facilitate and better lay out a guideline in which those that fail to comprehend a policy can understand. In the meantime, continue on!

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

You do understand that Chris has said on kripps stream that it is allowed? Kripp asked him about multi-boxing, he said it is ok if people have that knowledge, or something very similar to that.

Whether you like it or not, it's allowed.

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

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Omnivore61 wrote:

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As for the other poster's claim that it is harder to farm efficiently as a multiboxer than solo, you must not be very good at either the game or multiboxing in general, or else perhaps being deliberately misleading. Claiming that it doesn't give you an advantage in the game is just laughable.

Hopefully GGG will continue to toughen the game so that multiboxing cannot gain much of an advantage. Really that is the only way it won't become a problem.

Actually, I am really good with a multi-box. But the game is a lot harder that other games I go it with, D3 and WoW.

In PoE hardcore, playing multiple accounts safely will be slower than playing solo, copying keystrokes and mouse movements has never been be very accurate, and so you need to constantly fiddle about with things. 1 mistake and you can can easily die, something that you are going to be very prone to when multi-boxing.

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Elynole wrote:

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

You do understand that Chris has said on kripps stream that it is allowed? Kripp asked him about multi-boxing, he said it is ok if people have that knowledge, or something very similar to that.

Whether you like it or not, it's allowed.

I sat through the whole Q&A, and have watched it again since it was live. He did not say that multi-boxing was allowed. He stated that if a player wanted to carry along a character with them to gain their quest rewards as they leveled up that he saw no problem in that. With most talks with Chris, he's stated that he does not like any use of 3rd Party Applications when it comes to game mechanics. He never stated that a 3rd party application could be used for this process.