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Inexium wrote:

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syrioforel wrote:

Also I might claim that you can only really haggle prices down if you have other established prices to compare to.

For example, I might be able to get 6 chaos on a well-rolled unique when I notice the usual price that unique is 5 chaos.

Going:

A: I want 10ex
B: 4
A: 8?
B: 5?
A: 7?
B: ok 7

is pretty lame haggling, compared to

A: I offer 3 chaos on (unique)
B: Price I see on my unique is usually 5, mine is perfectly rolled, I think I can get 8. [8 is clearly overly optimistic here, at least 5 is reasonable given market data.].
A: OK, I will do better. I think the 5 is a bit overpriced though, since those are listed prices, and (other rare) can do almost the same job for me costing 5c. I will do 6 but no higher. [A demonstrates with reason why 8 is too high, again given market data.]
B: 6 sounds good.
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B: Sorry, that's still too low.
A: Thanks anyway.

Perfectly rolled items can raise 2X-3X-4X from their usual price.

Scale and translate #s as appropriate. The ordering is what mattered for the example.

Couldn't disagree more. As a seller, your job is to price your items competitively but still ensure fast and friendly trades. This whole "offer, low offer = ignored" shit is a plague in this game and the buyout thing is helping to eradicate it. Having itemlevels available on the forums would be a huge step in the right direction towards trading as a whole, not just because it'll make an indexer even better.

You go to the store to get a loaf of bread and it's 2$. It doesn't say "HEY HOW MUCH ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY FOR THIS BREAD SO I CAN TACK ON A FEW EXTRA CENTS AND YOULL PAY IT ANYWAY BECAUSE I KNOW YOU NEED IT"

Buyouts are good. Itemlevels are good. Indexers help people find the items they need. People who have jobs or classes and don't have hours of free time to watch the forums like a hawk looking for that one special upgrade.


I think the idea with buyouts is that you list the price you would like to get from an item, which is higher than the price you WOULD take. This gives the customer room to haggle without lowballing you into oblivion and ensures a trade can (usually) be made.

Standardization of trade is proportional to the size of the community. The larger it gets, the more people decide on a standard and stick to it, or even enforce it.

Powerful tools accelerate the rate of standardization, but they are not the cause of it. The community's size is the cause.

The effect is not even isolated to trade. Any question which is hard to optimize will have the same property.

Glad to see people are finally using their heads and realising Diablo 3 didn't die JUST from an Auction house.

Just a recap of the real reasons people have mentioned that all contributed;

-Homogeneous gear
-Shallow crafting
-Low drop rates
-Bot abuse

However Path of Exile suffers from reasons 2 & 3, and some of 1 (1 and 2 could be easily fixed if you look at Novalisk/Veta's ideas)