Avatar of Fire question

Is there any way to deal 100% fire damage with Lightning Arrow?

I read somewhere that conversions from skill gems takes first priority.

Example with 100 physical damage:

Physical damage: 50% physical damage is converted to lightning damage by Lightning Arrow and 50% physical damage is converted to fire damage by Avatar of Fire.

Lightning damage: 50% of the converted damage from Lightning Arrow is then converted to fire damage by Avatar of Fire.


Meaning the 100 physical damage is now only 75 fire damage, correct? Even with Blackgleam there is no way to get more fire damage as I see it as I guess it will just scale with Avatar of Fire and end up doing nothing?

Right, skill gems take priority, so you must get those 50 lightning damage. all of the rest is already converted to fire so blackgleam does nothing.

Nope, currently it's possible only with physical and cold. And I really don't get why would you even want to do it, LA already has problems with elemental reflect and shock stacking is really the only thing that makes it work. With AoF you'd lose shock and probably do less damage even though WED gem will affect all of it, but reflect the same or more.

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Sonnac wrote:

Is there any way to deal 100% fire damage with Lightning Arrow?

I read somewhere that conversions from skill gems takes first priority.

Example with 100 physical damage:

Physical damage: 50% physical damage is converted to lightning damage by Lightning Arrow and 50% physical damage is converted to fire damage by Avatar of Fire.

Lightning damage: 50% of the converted damage from Lightning Arrow is then converted to fire damage by Avatar of Fire.


Meaning the 100 physical damage is now only 75 fire damage, correct? Even with Blackgleam there is no way to get more fire damage as I see it as I guess it will just scale with Avatar of Fire and end up doing nothing?

Yes, there is no way to get full "to fire" conversion with LA, and you dont want to use it for AoF anyways.

Just add perfect (50%) Blackgleam to AoF, and any physical skill will be completely converted to fire. Need single-target damage? Use Burning Arrow or Frenzy. Need AoE? Use Split Arrow or Rain of Arrows. With all those options available, what else need you use?

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raics wrote:

Right, skill gems take priority, so you must get those 50 lightning damage. all of the rest is already converted to fire so blackgleam does nothing.

Nope, currently it's possible only with physical and cold. And I really don't get why would you even want to do it, LA already has problems with elemental reflect and shock stacking is really the only thing that makes it work. With AoF you'd lose shock and probably do less damage even though WED gem will affect all of it, but reflect the same or more.

You almost answered why yourself. Lightning Arrow has problems with reflect. Arctic Armor would almost negate that reflect because it's many small hits. And it wasn't because I wanted to create a new best build, I just wanted a new build :)

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Sonnac wrote:

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raics wrote:

Right, skill gems take priority, so you must get those 50 lightning damage. all of the rest is already converted to fire so blackgleam does nothing.

Nope, currently it's possible only with physical and cold. And I really don't get why would you even want to do it, LA already has problems with elemental reflect and shock stacking is really the only thing that makes it work. With AoF you'd lose shock and probably do less damage even though WED gem will affect all of it, but reflect the same or more.

You almost answered why yourself. Lightning Arrow has problems with reflect. Arctic Armor would almost negate that reflect because it's many small hits. And it wasn't because I wanted to create a new best build, I just wanted a new build :)

You can do it with Ice Shot:)

Even though conversion seems good in many cases... having 100% conversion to fire will take away your leech from amulets, uniques and nodes in tree.. since u wont be dealing physical damage.. but elemental dmg.
Have this in mind when u build up, because elem reflect will be a pain in the butt if u deal big amounts of dps... with my marauder im hitting 15k with IB and cant kill a group of white lvl 66 map mobs without dieing.

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baulero wrote:

Even though conversion seems good in many cases... having 100% conversion to fire will take away your leech from amulets, uniques and nodes in tree.. since u wont be dealing physical damage.. but elemental dmg.
Have this in mind when u build up, because elem reflect will be a pain in the butt if u deal big amounts of dps... with my marauder im hitting 15k with IB and cant kill a group of white lvl 66 map mobs without dieing.

Yeah, in most cases, physical damage is superior to elemental - physical damage not only allows usage of life leech on items.... the main benefit of physical damage is that it CANNOT be resisted - if you deal enough damage, enemy's armour is practically ignored. With any other damage type, you will suffer great damage loss because of resists, you will be forced to use penetration gems and certain curses to bypass resists and you will be screwed by "+75% resist" mods..... Elemental status effects are too weak to overcome such penalties.

But if you want to use physical damage, you should never use Infernal Blow. The only skills with damage conversion, that could be used for physical damage, are those converting physical to lightning, because shocks from lightning can help physical damage as well (though they still will be screwed by resists mods). And usually, you will want just use pure physical damage skills, and only elemental damage will come from Hatred.

This might be a dumb question; Does the unarmed damage from facebreaker apply to spells with AoF?
What can i use with AoF?

May have been asked... but if you use Glacial Hammer with AoF will it convert all of the 50% remaining physical damage after the on-skill conversion or does the pro-rating mean it only converts half the remaining damage?

IE

75% total damage as fire, or 50% total damage as fire?

Because I'm thinking of a "freezebreaker" glacial hammer AoF build... Admittedly it requires someone else dealing ice damage :P

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Autocthon wrote:

May have been asked... but if you use Glacial Hammer with AoF will it convert all of the 50% remaining physical damage after the on-skill conversion or does the pro-rating mean it only converts half the remaining damage?

IE

75% total damage as fire, or 50% total damage as fire?

Because I'm thinking of a "freezebreaker" glacial hammer AoF build... Admittedly it requires someone else dealing ice damage :P

With AoF only, 75% of damage from Glacial Hammer will be converted (plus half damage from Hatred). If you add Cold to Fire support gem lvl10+, you will have 100% damage conversion, gaining 100% damage converted to fire.

Is it worth it? I doubt it, actually. It seems far more benefitial to use old good Infernal Blow. You can try Glacial Hammer against bosses, though, but it requires someone to freeze boss, and that isnt easy task.