When did people start trading like this? >.>

Trading with people in this game is a pita.
I can't wait till GGG introduces something like a bazaar, so I can browse shops ingame. Rather than deal with the mouthbreathers that are trading.

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Redzor wrote:

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Zepidel wrote:

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Redzor wrote:

Obviously because you are cashing on people's desperation, as you admit. Like selling food at high price to starving people. Usually not appreciated.

If people are starving its because there isn't much food left, meaning its worth more (supply/demand). If people are starving there are most likely much larger problems at hand than just price gougers.

You sound like some kind of commie

Terminology aside, people don't like to deal with those who want to get more due to others being desperate, buyers always being at the mecry of sellers and other clearly discriminatory reasons. To the point that they want to warn others to not to fell into it.

That's why threads like this appear so often and are heavily discussed. It doesn't look like communism or whatever, more like normal civil reaction to such practices. That would result in legal regulations if ingame PoE society was real and could develop.

That's why we usually have publically set fixed prices in real life. The seller can set any price (in certain cases) but 'buyout' is set and is public. At least if we are speaking about the economies that are considered most developed nowdays.

Edit: When buying a PoE supporter pack, we don't get "offer" from Chris, do we? :)

You aren't going to get really far comparing IRL economies and PoE. One has hundreds of millions of people participating in it, and the are apart of it every second. The other has a couple thousand, usually a hundred or 2 participating in it anywhere from 10 minutes to a few hours at a time.

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jdilly23 wrote:

Me - how much for the kaoms
Asshat - offer
Me - (obvious lowball for a stupid response) 40 ex
Asshat - no
Me - so then how much is the kaoms
Asshat - offer better

If you trade like this please light yourself on fire, dont even say bye to anyone, you wont be missed

Bro.. shoulda sent him a PM saying "If you insist in your vexacious prognostications I will be forced to horizontalise your perpendicularity."

That woulda teach him good.

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EtherBunny66 wrote:

Bro.. shoulda sent him a PM saying "If you insist in your vexacious prognostications I will be forced to horizontalise your perpendicularity."

That woulda teach him good.

lol

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DirkAustin wrote:

This thread is still open?

This.

Yo. Yeah many people whining here about "kaoms, es chests and any another highlvl stuff". I was es-chests-crafter+seller, and when for 5l 700+es resi chest some1 offering me 10 chaoses its kinda sad to talk and see whole universe rage from that lowballer after im answering that dude - "default price is 3-4ex as we can see at trade, so ill sell for 3 like no problems". And again and again u only got from that ppl:"faggot-mannered rude shit and that this item cost max 15 chaoses" before u not ignore them. And surprisingly u got buyer for default 3-4ex after 30minutes trade spam. "how is that happening lol?". So its pretty default from community at highlevels i guess...to lowball and answering with only 1 word called "offer?"

But isnt the main thing is to talk about lowlvl 1st time ever naked game starters? At least i think that its more important than to handle rage negative lowball_offers from ur Kaoms buyers, since u will definitely sell ur kaoms without any problems im sure :)

Real example from Onslaught league 1-2months ago: Some bro just started this game(and he havent any bros from who he can ask any stuff about prices, so he just dont give a f. about anyth, he just newbie etc). Then at ~35lvl he noticed in trade many tasty orange (legendary-uniq) colored items, he found item from that list that he want to use (it was uniq bowy Death's Harp called) => he whispering and got answer: "Offer me". Then Newbie said: "idk what to offer, im new, how much average it can cost and what u wanna for that?" Answer was: "6 chaos or equivs". Then that newbie watched in stash - he saw 4 chaos orbs, and asking - what you mean by "equivs"? He saying anyth that u can find in stash etc. Then he linking everyth that he have, and seller answering okay, ill take ur 4 chaoses + that regal orb, that 4 alcs, 17 alts, 5 chance orbs, 2 scourings, and that 2 fuses since that is will be equivs for my 6 chaoses price and u can save ur augments+transmutes+scraps cos i dont need them atm. And newbie was like: ok, no problem - just give me my super shiny bowy!

So the thing is - that even if we not talking about the sneaky profit that he made from "equivs" currency and shit like that, its just still that greedy seller did x3-x6 profit since he priced bow for 6 chaoses, while it was 1-2max from any another seller, but newbie just didnt know that yet and trusted. Im not even talking about any another shit like 5-link chest that newbie wanted for merciless++ leveling 50-60+, and for sure he was offered with 1exalt for just nude zero resis shittest 25-life 5-Linked chest in the game, then some lucky shit happened: 1 bro from party farming said that wtf dude dont pay 1exalt for that shit lawl, if you will spam 1 day in trade u will definitely find chest for 6 chaoses... not for 25-30 lol" And yes, after 30min trade spamming newbie got his 5-linked even with 50hp+2 resi for that 6 chaoses. Then he start realizing that wtf why so many greedy overpricers over there.. And then he lvled higher and found out from party/quest bros just 1 thing called: "poe-Xyz" and found out that he was literally robbed in every single fcn deal while he was lvling :)

I think that game will need and slowly going to the AH-ingame system (since "poe-xyz" = same AH but not instant-ingame, u just alt-tab google, typing stats/or even rdy name of an item that u need => woooh-woooh here is ur item with 20-100 sellers =>u asking every1 u found cheapest prices, u also using your bargain skillz => hellooo ur shiny item equipped on your character and u ready for the action). Yeah while u asking that people u got 50% "offer"-sellers, u got 25% x3-x100500 overpricers from the cosmic bazaar (fuck that highlvl idiots and ignore for sure their greedy asses), and u got 25% sellers with their rdy b/o price. So all that u need is to waste ur time and find out real sellers from that 50-75% and wait till they complete some maps, or will back from afk n shit like that. :) Sounds pretty not bad, but globaly - who played and know that game well - can say that yes, they not making AH, they just want to put ppl in situation where u need to waste ur time as much as possible for being online in game. And its not bad for just only ppl who working/"live" etc, its even bad for those who playing often or just new, with AH atleast every new player will know real prices and will not being his lowlvl 1st character naked ass robbed as fck from nothing and he will buy 5-10 items for that currency, not only 1 from the overpricer. Whatever, official release is coming, and i think AH will be released, someday maybe? Will see. At least if they dont wanna make "self found" leagues or anyth like that, it will be always like: "If you are newbie and just started this game without any friends online => there is will be 50%-50% chance when u will want to buy anyth useful for improving your leveling => with 50% chance u will find "overpricing like we dont care" highlvl seller "Hochep" or with another 50% chance u will find also highlvl but "fair deals and only, who not robbing naked newbies asses" seller "Coopse".

Sure D3 AH was disaster since real money+bots blah blah every1 can google the problem and will find out about that everyth. But, in this game we not having guaranteed gold. We have hardcore_random proc ever made called currency (and its good yes!) so thats why AH will be okay for this game with currency. And yeah only shitty last problem will be: how to delete iq-ir dox nobrain zero skill required formula-1 currency farmers compared to default map-players who have "horror and survival vol.10 everyday" skilled 24/7 and got 5-10 times less than regular sparker?:). Idk, maybe just make cap of IQ-IR? smth like: u will be capped with just IQ+IR gems linked delete all iq-ir gear and thats all? =>seems legit => every1 will have same chance and fortune, huh? ^_^ Or lets again watch funny movie: "Who farmed dox more - that won in new leagues". ^_^

Best regards and glgl to every1 poe tryharder.

the problem is people dont know value + people want to make as much profit as possible


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btw i think trading stash tabs with some buy out mechanic will help a lot to improve this

Just wanna say, there are plenty of 'good' traders out there, considering I trade using 3rd party indexer then pm's for the item I want.

While I have encountered stupid 'offer' and other assholes, plenty have been fine.

They go offer, I go 2 chaos (quite low, but reasonable if they really want to offload), they come back with "was raelly looking for about 2gcp for it), and so on.

Sometimes I come up significantly (based on other potential options and how much I want it), sometimes I don't.

Sometimes tehy come down significantly (they really want to sell I guess), sometimes tehy don't.

Sometimes a sale is successful, sometimes its not.

But for those 'good' encounters, even if not successful, we both leave 'happy' because we are getting a deal we want, I am not spending more than I wanted to, he is not selling less than he wanted to. We usually wish each other luck in future endeavours, and part happy, though not as happy if sale was successful.


That is how trading should be.





Anyone who asks "offer" and gets an offer they dislike, then bitch, ignore or get angry are just idiots and deserve to be called out as assholes. I often ask people to make an offer when they say how much for it, because I don't have a current bid. But if they come back saying "I'm not sure, how much do you want for it" I give them an estimate, slightly higher than my low selling point, but reasonable. But then I don't just say "offer", I say "Could you make an offer please"

For instance, a great example thus follows:

On standard trade chat, almost every item you see is priced at more than DOUBLE what it is actually worth.

Should you actually offer them what they are charging, they will then ask for more.


The only thing that will change this is either some kind of static personal in game markets (much like mmos have), or just stop being greedy pricks.

I prefer the ladder.

i hope by "ladder" u mean latter and not the leagues (people in anarchy wud try to sell the most mediocre leveling items for 15+ chaos 2 days before merge).

i was really astonished by how that league looked in the end. i guess most people who started it already quit and there were some people leftover trying to reach a high level (not really engaged a ton in trading unless they got whispered w/ smth that helped them map or w/ some overpriced offer for smth coz they found enough highend stuff playing 12h a day so they cud ignore picking up small margins and let them rot / throw in npc) and then a couple of retarded traders with sheer endless patience... good to know their stuff is worth nearly nothing now and can be vendored without hesitation in another 4 months =)

i had a crucial expierience with a guy 1 week b4 merge (when i dusted off a crappy lvl 6x firestorm templar to finish at least the full clear challenge - i set the goal to clear out all of merci but gave up at some point cuz it wudve cost 2 much time trading for half useable gear i was using magic items etc and didnt have a ton of currency and the end of a3 was too hard for me):

so i spam TC: "wtb cheap amulet with 2x res (preferred cr/lr), pls link with price!"

guy whisperes me with a linked amulet that has ~30 cr ~30 lr and thats it, ofc he didnt mention a price
i whisper "hey u forgot price! how does 1 chaos sound?" (total overpay for this amulet he clrly linked it from his vendor recipe tab...)
"no nice amu i want 10 chaos exactly ur needs"
"yes thats coz i dont need much. if u want i can add 1 alch, but not more coz this amu looks like u had it in ur vendor recipe pile"
"thats true, but u need it"
"no thanks, not for that price"
"if u want - 15 chaos now"
--> ignorelist

giving up a win win situation by going into full retard mode without even trying to counteroffer... how frustrated and butthurt must one actually be -.- if u hate lurking tradechat for hours just stop and start playing! lol